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Post by Greg H on Jan 19, 2011 1:06:47 GMT
I would personaly be pretty stoked to see any missing material come back from Africa, even if it was in very degraded condition. If theres an image, theres the posibility of restoration of some kind somewhere along the road. Look at the chroma dots for example. If someone had told me that 20 years ago I wouldnt have believed them! Good luck with finding something interesting
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Post by Doug Wulf on Jan 19, 2011 4:43:33 GMT
Paul: Thanks for the updates. That Singapore has nothing is no surprise, but it is sad, since is appears that as many as 98 of the 108 missing episodes went there to die. Sad also to see that Uganda is unlikely and that New Zealand is crossed off the list. However, there was recently this interesting discussion concerning Australian prints posted here: colonel-barker.livejournal.com/tag/missing%20whoIt raises some interesting possibilities at least about prints returning to Australia or perhaps being duplicated. Doug
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jan 19, 2011 10:51:54 GMT
Hmm.
Well, the only reason I haven't included Australia on the list of countries to rule out is that because it has such a big archive which was at one point integrated with purchased film, there is a possibility that some material does survive in mis-catalogued tins. The archivists at the ABC do not agree with that assumption though. They could be right, and I think that it's extremely unlikely there is anything there.
Whilst it's easy to believe that as there were so many prints some MUST have survived, people forget that prints were destroyed locally. They also forget that we have already had film returns from a great many countries which were then destroyed in London. Unfortunately no record was made of those. If there were any, it would make our job a lot easier now.
As mentioned earlier, we only know (and by some guesswork) that the four North African countries don't have any DW anymore because we have a tin, complete with film in it with a Moroccan TV label. We can also guess that Marco Polo and The Moonbase were destroyed in New Zealand based on the empty tins found there...although we can't guarantee all went due to the discovery of 'The Lion'. So it's a very complex affair and I can assure you that it's not all as cut and dried as a simple list would have you believe.
The biggest advance in knowledge that has helped us was tracking down the sales sheets of DW with the BBC Rights Group, coupled with Jon Preddle's amazing work on transmission dates. If anything else is found by us, those will be two huge factors in the find.
Paul
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Post by Greg H on Jan 21, 2011 0:26:22 GMT
Another question for you Paul, did the african broadcasters only purchase BBC material, or did they also purchase other channel's material as well? I was especialy wondering about ace of wands etc. An extreme long shot I know, but I cant help wondering!
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jan 21, 2011 1:52:41 GMT
Another question for you Paul, did the african broadcasters only purchase BBC material, or did they also purchase other channel's material as well? They were like any broadcaster. They purchased lots of things. In Zambia, the series that replaced Doctor Who in 1969 was 'Joe 90'. The black and white 16mm prints are still there. There's also quite a bit of Thames wrestling from the mid 1970's on two inch. Generally there was a lot of US material and I am assuming that was reflected in many other African countries. Paul
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Post by John Andersen on Jan 21, 2011 8:56:28 GMT
Another question for you Paul, did the african broadcasters only purchase BBC material, or did they also purchase other channel's material as well? They were like any broadcaster. They purchased lots of things. In Zambia, the series that replaced Doctor Who in 1969 was 'Joe 90'. The black and white 16mm prints are still there. Paul That is a real kick in the teeth. 16mm black and white film prints of Joe 90, which were made during the Troughton era, are still in Zambia today while the Patrick Troughton era ended up in a furnace.
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Post by felixdembinski on Jan 21, 2011 18:58:07 GMT
is everything being checked for, or just dr who. It would be a shame if some other stuff got over looked.
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Post by Greg H on Jan 21, 2011 19:22:02 GMT
I think we can rely on Paul to check for everything After all he produces the sky at night, so we have the mighty Patrick Moore on our side
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jan 21, 2011 19:51:38 GMT
is everything being checked for, or just dr who. It would be a shame if some other stuff got over looked. Everything. It was only my intervention in 1989 in Cyprus that secured 13 missing Z Cars (amongst many other titles). It's a pretty methodical search which is why it's taking so long. Cheers, Paul
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Post by John Wall on Jan 21, 2011 22:41:56 GMT
We're lucky to have people like Paul on the case :-)
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Post by felixdembinski on Jan 21, 2011 22:42:53 GMT
is everything being checked for, or just dr who. It would be a shame if some other stuff got over looked. Everything. It was only my intervention in 1989 in Cyprus that secured 13 missing Z Cars (amongst many other titles). It's a pretty methodical search which is why it's taking so long. Cheers, Paul thats good, it would be a shame if some things were over looked
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Post by raybadrick on Jan 22, 2011 12:05:19 GMT
Hi is Mauritius on the list to be checked as a friend of mine who lived out there does remember seeing Dr Who out there in the 1970's
Thanks
Ray
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jan 22, 2011 15:18:06 GMT
Hi is Mauritius on the list to be checked... We're already in contact with Mauritius. Paul
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Post by raybadrick on Jan 22, 2011 15:31:42 GMT
Thanks for the reply, its a great job your all doing and it would make a great tv documentary ! Any missing TV find is good news although a Dr Who find would be extra special !!!
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Post by Greg H on Jan 22, 2011 18:57:08 GMT
All respect and thanks to Paul. We are lucky to have such a good bloke on the case I would like to personaly thank you for your efforts, Good work
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