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Post by John Fleming on Sept 20, 2010 9:46:13 GMT
In the US, the odds are stacked against foreign broadcasters because unlike the UK/BBC and most other countries/national broadcasters, the US didn't until 1972 regard films without a copyright date on them as being under copyright. There were strict rules prior to that which governed what a copyright notice should say. It's why BBC programmes had a copyright date on them from 1972. But there wasn't at the time any retrospective acknowledgement of copyright in any programmes the BBC made prior to then, so that means that most BBC and other programmes made and broadcast in the UK before then are now regarded as public domain in the US. Barking, I know. What has a programme broadcast in the UK under the law of our land got to do with the US copyright laws? Nothing. But they didn't see it like that. That doesn't surprise me at all, the attitude of the US is that they are the only country in the world of any importance. I've long since held the view that we should play tit for tat with them and pass some UK laws to put major US work into the public domain in this country. Once they stop receiving royalties for Star Trek, Elvis, etc then they might rethink their attitude. |
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Post by Peter Stirling on Sept 20, 2010 10:21:19 GMT
The other thing is that stuff bound for the states in 60s/70s usually had any brit involvement in the credits edited out, (unless they thought it was crap LOL). This was particularly true of Rediffusion stuff.
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Post by Rob Hutchinson on Sept 20, 2010 14:16:56 GMT
just as a matter of interest which shows off the main list www.btinternet.com/~m.brown1/eplist.htmwere syndicated in the us and are perhaps potentially sitting in a us archives/private collections? i know about dr.who's syndication history, but not the others. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2010 18:37:04 GMT
The other thing is that stuff bound for the states in 60s/70s usually had any brit involvement in the credits edited out, (unless they thought it was crap LOL). This was particularly true of Rediffusion stuff. I don't know if that's widely true or not but the DVD release of The Human Voice has a clear Rediffusion credit at the end plus all the UK production crew credits etc. |
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Post by Tim Disney on Sept 20, 2010 20:56:12 GMT
I don't know if that's widely true or not but the DVD release of The Human Voice has a clear Rediffusion credit at the end plus all the UK production crew credits etc. On a returned Hippodrome Show, which is a film recording of the version screened in the U.S, the Rediffusion London spinning adastral has been preserved within the closing credits. The American production company are credited and then there's some reference to being produced in association with... and then the adastral appears in all its spinning black and white glory. The confusion might be coming from the fact that many prints returned from overseas have the Rediffusion end cap chopped off. There is some truth that broadcasters have been known to chop these, but some of these have also been lost due to poor film handling on the collector's circuit. I read an article in Fusion magazine, where a member of staff commented that whilst in Australia, they kept hearing the Rediffusion fanfare on tv so often that it felt as though they were back home in London!  |
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Post by Simon Winters on Sept 21, 2010 11:02:00 GMT
The Human Voice dvd does not have any Rediffusion idents on it, but the picture is excellent colour vt throughout. It does say 'Rediffusion TV production' on the end credits.
The blue Rediffusion animated ident is sadly completely lost, but the BFI and Kaleidoscope do hold the red Rediffusion animated ident on the play George's Room.
These red and blue animated idents were both created in 1967.
That b/w telerecording of Hippodrome has a b/w image of one of these colour idents - you can tell it's different, as the colour ones were slightly different looking to the usual b/w version.
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Post by Simon Winters on Sept 21, 2010 11:42:02 GMT
There is also an 'Associated-Rediffusion Presents' yellow ident on the colour 1960 film 'Television in Schools', which has also been screened at a Kaleidoscope event.
Enough colour Rediffusion material out there for a future Network release of 'Rediffusion in Colour'!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2010 18:55:22 GMT
The Human Voice dvd does not have any Rediffusion idents on it, but the picture is excellent colour vt throughout. It does say 'Rediffusion TV production' on the end credits. The blue Rediffusion animated ident is sadly completely lost, but the BFI and Kaleidoscope do hold the red Rediffusion animated ident on the play George's Room. These red and blue animated idents were both created in 1967. That b/w telerecording of Hippodrome has a b/w image of one of these colour idents - you can tell it's different, as the colour ones were slightly different looking to the usual b/w version. No Rediffusion ident, no, but a clear Rediffusion credit, to make it apparent who was at least part responsible for the programme (which is what I was referring to). I'd be the very first to buy a "Rediffusion In Colour" DVD set! By the way, Simon, The Informer was supposed to have been made in colour (I only saw it originally in b/w) so do you know if either of the existing episodes have the colour ident on them? Just curious. By the way, more details of the programmes found in the LOC have been posted by the BFI here: www.bfi.org.uk/nationalarchive/news/tvrediscovery/index.html?utm_source=20100921archive&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20100921archive |
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Post by jameshope on Sept 23, 2010 16:42:12 GMT
Terrific news these gems have been found and i hope its not long until they get a dvd release
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Post by Peter Roberts on Oct 2, 2010 10:59:23 GMT
BFI have rung again, the Newsnight feature is still planned for tonight or tomorrow apparently. Did this ever happen? I checked the introductions to Newsnight on the 16th and 17th but there was no mention of it. |
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Post by Andrew Doherty on Oct 2, 2010 19:46:41 GMT
BFI have rung again, the Newsnight feature is still planned for tonight or tomorrow apparently. Did this ever happen? I checked the introductions to Newsnight on the 16th and 17th but there was no mention of it. I did not notice any mention of the topic on 'Newsnight'. The curious feature about this incredible television haul of dramas is that it is very unlikely any of these programmes would have survived if the American broadcaster concerned had done what other overseas broadcasters were required to do, i.e. junk them or send them back for the same treatment. For whatever reason, the broadcaster decided to donate this very large number of programmes to the American Library of Congress. I trust it will give a boost for investigations into other overseas television archives. Yours, |
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Post by stevearkless on Oct 12, 2010 13:51:30 GMT
well done to all involved in finding this treasure trove of lost tv heaven!-when will we see it again on british tv?
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Post by stevearkless on Oct 25, 2010 8:11:12 GMT
please let us know what was shown at the screening of these lost classics!and your views!
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Post by Tom Alger on Oct 26, 2010 7:19:51 GMT
The 'Rembrandt' could actually be a BBC colour standards conversion of the time, but Dick didn't know at that stage what if anything was in colour. Paul I know I'm a bit late on this, but I've found the US airdate for "Rembrandt." According to the New York Times, it was shown Oct. 3, 1969 in New York City. Here's a scan of a TV Guide page listing the show. (Bottom left, and top right) It lists two Nebraska channels that aired the program a day later. And it was in Color ... as noted by the (C) symbol. It was shown on the "NET Playhouse" series (which was produced by WNET, and distributed to Public TV stations across the US). Here's a "NET Playhouse" episode guide: ctva.biz/US/Anthology/NETPlayhouse.htm Many of the "lost" shows recently found by the Library of Congress were originally shown on this series. Hopefully, this guide will give some clues as to some of the other shows in the WNET archives. NET Playhouse was an anthology series featuring plays/dramas/movies from the US, Britain and other countries. The editor of the above episode guide, Des Martin, has noted the UK-produced episodes, along with the original series name and UK airdates. The US airdates were usually 2 or more years behind their UK broadcast dates. At the moment, only the first 3 seasons on this guide are complete. (I'm one of the contributors to this site and am currently working on the 4th season ... which should be updated soon.) Technical note: If season 1 stops at "NET Playhouse: THE VICTORIANS #5 - TWO ROSES," please try another browser. I had trouble with Internet Explorer on this page. About color shows: While the majority of shows were b/w, a few of the 3rd Season episodes were in color. The earliest color shows appear to be from the US and Canada. But by Season 4, they included color shows from Britain and other countries. Attachments:
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Post by richardfitzgerald on Oct 29, 2010 10:30:23 GMT
Here's a "NET Playhouse" episode guide: ctva.biz/US/Anthology/NETPlayhouse.htm Many of the "lost" shows recently found by the Library of Congress were originally shown on this series. Hopefully, this guide will give some clues as to some of the other shows in the WNET archives. NET Playhouse was an anthology series featuring plays/dramas/movies from the US, Britain and other countries. The editor of the above episode guide, Des Martin, has noted the UK-produced episodes, along with the original series name and UK airdates. The US airdates were usually 2 or more years behind their UK broadcast dates. At the moment, only the first 3 seasons on this guide are complete. (I'm one of the contributors to this site and am currently working on the 4th season ... which should be updated soon.) Technical note: If season 1 stops at "NET Playhouse: THE VICTORIANS #5 - TWO ROSES," please try another browser. I had trouble with Internet Explorer on this page. Thanks for posting this - I'm surprised no-one else has commented yet on the WNET guide particularly as some of the UK entries e.g "ACQUIT OR HANG!";"CRIME AND PUNISHMENT"; are still listed as missing on Lost Shows.com and aren't included in the list of recoveries. And what comedy series did WNET show - they can't have specialised in drama productions alone surely? |
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