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Post by Neil Hendry on Aug 17, 2015 11:35:18 GMT
The Informer - Episode TitlesThe Informer Episodes - Season One - 1966www.imdb.com/title/tt0197160/episodes?year=1966&ref_=tt_eps_yr_1966The Informer Episodes - Season Two - 1967www.imdb.com/title/tt0197160/episodes?year=1967Also just learned that 7 episodes of Season 2 of The Informer had alternative titles: 25/9/67 Undisclosed Sources alt title: From Information Received 2/10/67 Here's Where Who Takes Over? alt: A Question Of Trust alt: Mutual Protection This episode was a re-write of an unused script "Anything Can Happen To A Dolly" by David Weir 30/10/67 Where There's Muck There's Money Alt Title: Three Day's Grace 6/11/67 No Further Questions alt: A Word Before I Go 13/11/67 Your Secrets Are Safe With Us, Mr.Lambert alt: Your Secrets Are Safe With Us 20/11/67 Keep Off The Grass alt: You Scratch My Back 11/12/67 Your Money Or Your Life alt: The Mission
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Post by Peter Stirling on Aug 17, 2015 11:50:30 GMT
Neil these could have been 'working titles' until the final production? Meanwhile it seems Global TV was also distributing ATV shows to its outposts. www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbJiprUJRV4 |
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Post by Neil Hendry on Aug 17, 2015 12:18:51 GMT
Hi Peter - yes, they could certainly just be working titles but I guess they could also potentially have been used as alternate overseas titles as well. Worth knowing about just in case.....and extends our 'search terms'
That's a great find, the first example I've seen of a RTV Hong Kong broadcast! RTV Hong Kong/ Hong Kong SAR is definitely one potential source for lost episodes as it seems logical that they would have used their UK programming to fill their air-time. And this is great evidence that they used other ITV company programming as well. I know Global Television Services also worked for ABC TV in the 60's and it is quite probable that they were behind sourcing this programme from ATV and no doubt other ITV networks as well.
Maybe all former colonies/ Commonwealth countries should also be on our list?
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Post by Phil Leach on Aug 17, 2015 12:32:19 GMT
The BFI hold copies of two episodes of The Informer, the 1st and 20th of 21 episodes. This seems to tally with what John Johnson said about his discussions with the BFI, "I didn’t want to keep all 237 episodes of No Hiding Place and all the other long running series, just the first and final episodes, and a few with major cast changes." Well these are the first and second from last episodes - so almost mirroring what he said above: Series 1 Ep.01: Get Off My Back 1-8-1966 Series 2 Ep 12: Your Money Or Your Life 11-12-1967 Interesting to note that these are '16mm Rerecorded Negative' as noted on the BFI entry. So it seems that the series was originally filmed on videotape and transferred by telerecording onto 16mm. This may mean that the whole series was transferred to 16mm - hopefully. Global Television Services dealt in 16mm when negotiating with overseas broadcasters so there there is a chance that episodes may be found overseas and well as here. I think it's possible to view these two episodes at the BFI by prior arrangement. From their entry it doesn't look like they've got any viewing copies of The Informer. They list an original telerecording negative which is mute plus the sound on a separate reel (which is the 'rerecorded negative') So these are original Sep Opt films for lab use and therefore not combined viewing copies. I don't know what their current policy is with these - it certainly used to be to make a print which obviously is quite an expensive process. Now 16mm printing is virtually extinct they may allow digitisation from original negs. |
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Post by Neil Hendry on Aug 17, 2015 12:48:20 GMT
Hi Phil - yes, I think you are right. I still need to learn a bit more about the various processes and how viewing/ broadcast copies were made. Presumably these are the 'master' files then from which the broadcast episodes were made?
I wonder if the BFI have records of where they came from/ their provenance on file?
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Post by Phil Leach on Aug 17, 2015 15:15:33 GMT
Hi Phil - yes, I think you are right. I still need to learn a bit more about the various processes and how viewing/ broadcast copies were made. Presumably these are the 'master' files then from which the broadcast episodes were made? I wonder if the BFI have records of where they came from/ their provenance on file? No these will be the master negative telerecording films from which telerecording prints for export sales would have been made. The master UK broadcast would have been from a studio recorded two inch video tape. Phil |
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Post by Neil Hendry on Aug 17, 2015 15:55:13 GMT
No these will be the master negative telerecording films from which telerecording prints for export sales would have been made. The master UK broadcast would have been from a studio recorded two inch video tape. Phil Hi Phil - Very interesting. So can we infer from this then, that the type of film that the BFI has is it's archive would only have been produced if Rediffusion-London planned to create telerecording prints for export/ overseas sales? Or could these master negative telerecording films have been used to produce telerecording prints for their archive purposes - so the studio recorded videotape could be reused? |
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Post by Phil Leach on Aug 18, 2015 11:10:02 GMT
The key thing will be if there is any evidence that the series was sold overseas or offered for sale (TV listings, sales brochures or extra payments for Ian Hendry for example). If it was offered I would have thought that all the episodes would have been telerecorded from the tapes as there's little point just selling a series as odd episodes. If it was not required for sale I suppose there is a chance that these were kept as odd examples for archive purposes.
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Post by williammcgregor on Aug 18, 2015 11:41:20 GMT
Here's a wee photo and blurb from the TV Times (Anglia) region for the Informer series episode called "It's an Unfair World, Baxter" it was t'xd in the Anglia region on the 17th August 1966 between 8pm and 8:55pm. sorry about the quality of the picture, I normally use the Snipping Tool on my P.C. but it not not letting me copy anything just now, I think I have mistakenly buggered it up! so I took a picture off my p.c. on my phone instead. If anybody cannot make out the text please let me know.  |
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Post by Neil Hendry on Aug 18, 2015 12:59:38 GMT
The key thing will be if there is any evidence that the series was sold overseas or offered for sale (TV listings, sales brochures or extra payments for Ian Hendry for example). If it was offered I would have thought that all the episodes would have been telerecorded from the tapes as there's little point just selling a series as odd episodes. If it was not required for sale I suppose there is a chance that these were kept as odd examples for archive purposes. Hi Phil - yes good points. I know a lot of RTV programmes ended up in Australia. I've carried out some preliminary research on the National Archive of Australia (NAA) and also in the US, but that's really just the beginning - I've only scratched the surface so far. I know there are some useful contacts on this thread of people with large Australian TV listings collections dating back to the 50's, which would be good to follow up with as well at some point. Australia: ABC - Associated Rediffusion - BBC missingepisodes.proboards.com/thread/10423/abc-associated-rediffusion-bbc-australia |
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Post by Neil Hendry on Aug 18, 2015 13:04:36 GMT
Here's a wee photo and blurb from the TV Times (Anglia) region for the Informer series episode called "It's an Unfair World, Baxter" it was t'xd in the Anglia region on the 17th August 1966 between 8pm and 8:55pm. sorry about the quality of the picture, I normally use the Snipping Tool on my P.C. but it not not letting me copy anything just now, I think I have mistakenly buggered it up! so I took a picture off my p.c. on my phone instead. If anybody cannot make out the text please let me know. William - thanks for posting the press cutting. Nice to see a picture of the late great George Cole. I was fortunate to meet him once backstage - along with Honor Blackman - after watching a play they were in with Ian called The Motive; I was about 9 at the time! George had a great career and whilst he is best remembered for Minder he did a lot of other great work too. |
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Post by williammcgregor on Aug 18, 2015 15:49:49 GMT
Hi Neil, You were fortunate indeed to meet George Cole and Honor Blackman thanks for sharing your memories.
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