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Post by Alan Turrell on Feb 8, 2010 5:37:13 GMT
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Post by Steve Flower on Feb 8, 2010 8:56:33 GMT
The Hollies, Bus Stop, looks like the same layout the studio had for Sunny Afternoon by the Kinks, which was also 1966, looks very promising that it coul;d be from Top Of The Pops, and is in a very good quality.
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Post by Peter Prentice on Feb 8, 2010 9:59:08 GMT
Definitely TOTP and find of the year so far for me. That Spencer Davis promo is interesting too.
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Post by nicadare on Feb 8, 2010 11:27:56 GMT
The Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich clip is the 35mm Pathe Newsreel promo (originally shot in colour and available on a Dutch BR DVD). The Hollies-Bus Stop is no doubt from Top of the Pops, the decor appears to be very similar to the Kinks Sunny Afternoon Clip although the circles of light behind the group also appeared on TOTP 1965 clips, Sandy Shaw-Long Live Love and The Rolling Stones-Get off of my Cloud. Nevertheless as Bus Stop was in the charts around June/July 1966 coincidently the same time as The Kinks - Sunny Afternoon one must conclude it is indeed from Top of the Pops 1966. The clips in great condition, what a find!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2010 11:42:11 GMT
It can be from no other show but TOTP. A very important find and as I point out in the other thread, we now finally have a contemporary performance of this song.
It dates from either June 16th or June 30th 1966. The Beatles were "in person" on the 16th and on the 30th with a repeat of the "Paperback Writer" performance. The Kinks were "in person" on the 16th and represented by a repeat on 30th June. So, there is now a chance one of these two shows does exist somewhere. Mind you it is possible it may be the 23rd June edition which featured repeats of The Kinks and The Hollies... and worse, The Beatles represented by one of the official promos which we already have... but given that the 16th June edition has been strongly rumoured to exist... one never knows and is hopeful something else from that show may turn up... preferably the whole show.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2010 13:55:19 GMT
Yes, i'm willing to bet that this Hollies clip comes from an existing complete show. Very exciting news - I wonder what will transpire now? Hopefully a recovery of the print of the show in full quality!
As Peter says, the find of the year so far!
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Post by markjhaley on Feb 8, 2010 15:19:27 GMT
Excellent, you have to wonder where this film has been hiding ?
The whole look of that clip is a really cool time capsule from a time when the British music scene was at the centre of everything.
I do hope this leads to other contemporary clips resurfacing. The June 16th edition is almost too much to hope for.
I'm intrigued to see Allan Clarke playing a guitar and Tony Hicks has a Vox electric 12 string. I still have a Vox Phantom 6 string and can assure you they were fantastic "60's sounding" guitars.
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Post by Paul Watkins on Feb 8, 2010 16:04:40 GMT
I've noticed that the guy who posted it is from the USA (where the edition in question was supposed to have been sold to) and he is a retired film editor. So it's probable that he has the print?.
The only thing i noticed is the 'fade to black' and damage to the end of the clip, suggesting that it may be an orphan clip or the end of a reel?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2010 16:10:22 GMT
I'm adding any messages on this subject that were posted on the "Pop Acts Missing From The Archives" thread, so as to avoid repetition (i've also re-named this thread for clarity). Any comments regarding the new discovery TOTP clip, please post here, folks. Thanks. Thomas Walsh: WOW.....this is a major find guys (I think?) - 'The Hollies' on TOTP doing 'Bus Stop' (with bassist Eric Haydock who had left the band by then) and it looks like the very same edition as the infamous 'Beatles' 1966 appearance. Look at that background.....!! --------------- Lance M.: WOW,Indeed.Thank you so very much for posting this recently added youtube clip.This does indeed look to be from Top Of The Pops!What a fantastic discovery indeed for the new year!Am unsure if this performance may be from the aforementioned edition on which the Beatles performed "Rain"however?Here is a colour photograph,which am sure many have already seen previously: farm3.static.flickr.com/2797/4093518059_9d7619135b.jpgThe main background featuring the circles of lighting fits.However,if you look to the left of the stage in the photo,part of the effect wall is displayed.In the Hollies clip posted,this appears to have an inward spiraling square look,the one displayed in the Beatles photo is clearly circular in nature.Now,my main question here (hoping someone with further info may be able to assist here) is might the staff have changed the effect wall for each act?Was this kept the same throughout the entire edition?Or might this possibly yield from a later or earlier edition of TOTP from 1966 than the Beatles performance?Is very interesting indeed to say the least here.Also,toward the last few seconds of this clip visible film-splice repair was evident in the momentary white flash,as well can see visible dirt here,would guess this clip yields from a film TR.The big question now is,is there further material on film existing from this edition of TOTP? Any further assistance or info here would be much appreciated indeed. Thank You so very much again Thomas for posting this rare gem!Hopefully further info may be possible here in regards.Have also upgraded the clip quality witnessed here,can view the clip in HD from this link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXOgxyw2ruA&fmt=18Cheers,Lance. ------------------ Laurence Piper: That's most definitely from TOTP and an important discovery! Seems like it's from either the famous 16/6/66 show or 30/6/66. Nothing from these editions has surfaced before. Somebody likes to tease us, obviously, but it seems to confirm a lot of well-repeated stories about an existing edition from this point. ------------------ Phillip Gruber: A VERY important discovery. Funny because until this turned up we had no contemporary footage of the band performing this song! Nearest equivalent was the Beat Beat Beat live performance from 8 months later. The Kinks' "Sunny Afternoon" also appeared alongside this song on 16th June, plus repeats the following week and The Hollies back in the studio on 30th June. Great to finally see a performance on that very same stage The Beatles performed on. The net must be starting to close in on this TOTP 66 issue. Where on Earth did this come from? Why wasn't it's existence known until now? It's in much better quality than The Kinks clip we have from this era too. A genuine thrill to see it! ----------------- Dave Machin: This has made my day! This is one in the face of those who say there is nothing more out there, which I have never believed for one minute any way. I am just hoping it is from the legendary Beatles edition and not just a clip (even if it is a great clip) as that one had a lot of other wonderful artists as well as the fab four in it. The heyday of Top of the Pops when the greats appeared on it week after week. Two questions are in my mind though. Who has the footage and are they prepared to let a copy go back to the archives? Dave
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2010 16:24:32 GMT
I've noticed that the guy who posted it is from the USA (where the edition in question was supposed to have been sold to) and he is a retired film editor. So it's probable that he has the print?. Well, the 16/6/66 print has often been rumoured to reside in the states these days so it could be right. If it's only an insert (which is just as likely, I guess) then it'll be from the 23/6/66 edition, which used a repeated clip of the previous weeks' appearance (so whichever way you look at it, the clip most probably comes from the 16/6/66 show). So the repeat could be the likely reason for it to exist as an isolated insert in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2010 16:29:51 GMT
Just to add something new regarding the reappearance of the Hollies clip, I have just this moment been informed by a third party that one of the foremost TV music researchers in the UK is in touch with the YouTube poster. It is confirmed that it comes from 16/06/66, although it may be an insert. However, further enquiries are being made in regard to the existence of the complete episode. That's ALL I can report right now, folks, but more will be posted as and when. Stay tuned!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2010 17:01:33 GMT
Wow! That's incredible news! So it IS from that famous show and we get ever closer to The Beatles connection since that is the same set the Fabs performed on. Studying the camerawork, one can now build up a reasonable mental picture of what The Beatles' performance may had looked and was shot like.
I do find it slightly strange how at the end, the band stand there taking the applause... I would had expected the cameras to cut straight to the DJ quicker than that, plus that fade at the end looks to me it's on the source copy as opposed to being faded especially for this YouTube post.
I know I'm not alone in wishing to actually see some Pete Murray intro behind his desk probably with Samantha Juste by his side spinning the discs. Those who did see the July 67 footage said it was great to finally see that style of presentation. Of course we get an idea of it from the August 65 VT material but Jimmy Savile was the only one of the DJ's who didn't use the disc girls preferring to do all the spinning and intros himself.
Either way, I'm staggered by this clip turning up and naturally live in hope we'll finally get to the bottom of the mystery of the whereabouts of he full show, but right now, I'm inclined to believe it's an insert. That Kinks clip we have from the same time could also be such an insert too since it was repeated as well. The Beatles were repeated a few times too... so... food for thought there...
Fingers crossed for some good news!
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Post by Alan Turrell on Feb 8, 2010 17:47:30 GMT
I got up at 5 o clock for work on a miserable monday morning and as usual went on the forum for five minutes before getting ready for work and when i saw this clip that Thomas had found i thought i was dreaming ive been so excited about all day fantastic news lets hope there could be more its without doubt from those great days of totp.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2010 18:01:38 GMT
OK, i've just had confirmation that it's an insert, as used on 23/6/66 (repeated from the 16/6 edition)! Good news and bad news really but it's a quality clip which I only hope can find it's way back to the archives so it can be utilised in some way...
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Post by Joe Haynes on Feb 8, 2010 18:15:25 GMT
Can we make sure it does find its way back? maybe ask for a uncompressed copy?
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