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Post by Mark Brown on Aug 7, 2009 11:35:55 GMT
It's a bit dissapointing that someone who knew what they were looking for didn't turn up this site, need to work on those google rankings.
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Post by Greg H on Aug 7, 2009 15:20:19 GMT
Great news for fans of the show, and I know theres a lot of you out there!! Excellent work guys!!  |
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Post by adriane17 on Aug 7, 2009 16:30:59 GMT
I think there are audios out there of at least some of the missing TDUDP.
Yes - I saw that one of the recoveries is being shown at the Monkhouse event but that is sold out!
As regards other former BBC employees having material it is surely a certainty. We are now getting to a time when some of these could be out in the skip when said former employees pass on....
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Post by John Wall on Aug 7, 2009 16:58:04 GMT
Well........
It's like waiting for a bus. You wait for half an hour and then two come along together :-)
Never say never !
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Post by RWels on Aug 7, 2009 19:22:19 GMT
As regards other former BBC employees having material it is surely a certainty. Have they ever actively been contacted? Who knows what will turn up if this group of people was asked clearly and politely if they have kept anything and if they would please lend it for making a new master copy? |
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Post by John Wall on Aug 7, 2009 20:30:00 GMT
With the Internet it's a lot easier to track people down as so much information is available online. Look at sites like 192.com for example. A simple google search on the name may pay dividends.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Aug 8, 2009 13:08:22 GMT
Have they ever actively been contacted? Who knows what will turn up if this group of people was asked clearly and politely if they have kept anything and if they would please lend it for making a new master copy? There are a couple of things about this which are frustrating, although it is of course fantastic to have the episodes repatriated. The first thing is that at the time Graham came into possession of the epiosdes (according to the interview he gave to Anthony Harvison), the BBC were actively trying to fill in the gaps in their archive. If the person in maintenance had sent the films to the archive at Windmill Road for evaluation then (which he should have done) they would have been returned to the BBC a good 15 years earlier. The second issue is the present return; a simple phone call to the BBC archive by Graham (who as en ex employee would find this to be a very straightforward thing; he would just need to go via the switchboard) would have solved the problem within minutes. Whilst a wonderful recovery, it seems to me that in this case procedure wasnt followed and common sense did not prevail. Regards, Paul |
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Post by Dave Wood on Aug 9, 2009 19:25:15 GMT
Frustrating, but not unexpected. When the Avengers stuff turned up on the UCLA archive index pages it was a real frustration trying to get anyone to take an interest in it and several calls were made and I was passed around several different departments within BFI, until someone put me in touch with the right people.
I'd already been a member of NFT for years and had attended many of the Missing Believed Wiped and other TV archive shows, so I found it unexpectedly and disappointingly difficult to get taken seriously. Of course, once the right people were aware of the lead it was fantastic to see it followed up and the material recovered.
The trouble is that the switchboard receptionists don't seem to have either the interest or the proper training to deal with these sort of calls and you have to wonder if other potential doners might have given up due to a bad experience like Graham's original call.
It seems that unless you have easy access to an insider like Paul Vanezis or Dick Fiddy via pages like this, or Kaleidoscope you might as well be peeing in the wind.
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Post by Chris Drummond on Aug 15, 2009 17:42:31 GMT
That's the most frustrating part of the whole story as to how they were recovered for me. It seems like it was purely down to luck that the films ended up being handed over to Graham because the maintainance guy knew he liked the series, otherwise they would have been ditched in the move from Ealing.
Had they been returned for checking by the BBC archives in the proper manner then they would have known that they were not duplicates as the maintainance department thought, and may well have checked out the other films being junked to see if there was anything lost amongst them.
As it is, it could have been the case that other lost shows were amongst the films that were junked in the Ealing move simply because no one bothered to check with the archives.
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Post by Oliver Roemer on Aug 18, 2009 12:16:18 GMT
By the way, did you know, that this popular series was adapted by german television in the early 70's ??
It was called "Ein Herz und eine Seele" ("One Heart, One Soul") over here in Germany and it was and still is very popular with the german viewers as it has been and still is repeated numerous of times.
Sadly in 1976, after only two seasons were produced (the second only contained four episodes, there was a one and a half year gap between seasons one and two), it was stopped because the viewers interest in the series had ceased by then.
The series story was based very close on the british original, even the the characters had the same names: Alfred, Else, Rita & Michael.
The first 11 episodes (some of them are among the most popular with the viewers till today) were still done in black & white by 1973 !!
These episodes were only shown on the regional third programme of WDR, then called WDF ("Westdeutsches Fernsehen").
Episode 12 was the first one in colour, it was shown on new years eve 1973 and has been repeated numerous times on new years eve ever since.
It was also the first episode to be shown nationwide via WDR on Germany's first television channel ARD/Erstes Deutsches Fernsehen.
Unlike the BBC, the ARD station WDR who produced all episodes of the series, has kept every single minute of the series in their archive and all 25 of them plus bonus material are available in a DVD box-set since March 2009.
Needless to say, I love this series and didn't realise that the original came from Britain untill I saw the documentary "Missing believed wiped" on the BBC.
Regards,
Oliver.
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