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Post by Rich Cornock on Jun 1, 2009 20:31:41 GMT
probably a bigger issue is the fact that Gary Glitter gets royalties every time his songs are performed. Quite like his music myself but I'm not keen on him getting more cash so that he can fly round the world abusing children. I guess that could be the reason they have edited him out of the program
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Post by James C on Jun 1, 2009 22:28:23 GMT
It didn't stop ARTE showing ROCK AND ROLL PT 2 during their TOTP season last year.
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Post by lfbarfe on Jun 1, 2009 23:06:12 GMT
Quite like his music myself but I'm not keen on him getting more cash so that he can fly round the world abusing children. You make him sound like a deviant Alan Whicker. For what it's worth, with the constant media scrutiny he's under, I'd suggest that the safest place for a child to be right now is with Gary Glitter. He wouldn't bloody dare.
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Post by Eric Lawton on Jun 2, 2009 12:20:12 GMT
I remember folk saying something similar about O J Simpson.
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Post by Mark Bryan on Jun 2, 2009 12:20:01 GMT
Quite like his music myself but I'm not keen on him getting more cash so that he can fly round the world abusing children. You make him sound like a deviant Alan Whicker. For what it's worth, with the constant media scrutiny he's under, I'd suggest that the safest place for a child to be right now is with Gary Glitter. He wouldn't bloody dare. Hmmm.....GG was under plenty of 'media scrutiny' after he was found with child pornography on his PC in 1999. This didn't stop him abusing children in Vietnam and being suspected of abuse in Cambodia! To suggest, even hypothetically, that leaving a child in his presence would be a safe thing to do is more than a little naive imo! That said, I agree with the majority that there should be no censorship - history cannot be changed. GG was a superb showman and gave us some of the most exhilarating music of the 70s.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2009 15:36:29 GMT
Seems like a knee-jerk over-reaction by the BBC (or whoever edited the show) in the style of old, where you'd have someone struggling to be seen to be doing the right thing to show they have "morals" (and well after the event too). Not that i'm in favour of what he did (any more than I am anyone committing other serious crimes against the innocent) but neither am I up for a witch hunt mentality taking hold either. I'm just concerned about our pop music history being tampered with for self-righteous reasons of PC, purely and simply.
As long as I live, i'll never agree with censorship. On principle.
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Post by bleslie7 on Jun 9, 2009 8:39:53 GMT
I know that in the 90s the BBC supplied UK Gold with the part mute 30/12/71 show with Ed Stewart as I saw the viewing tape. I do wonder about the quality of the 26/2/70 show in the archives for example. The only copies I have seen of this edition have been really poor It remains a mystery why this 26/02/70 episode was not shown on the Einsfestival repeats?. I used to think the surviving monochrome copy of 05/02/70 with Tony Blackburn as host was also only in poor condition until I viewed the superb condition Einsfestival repeat. From what I have seen of clips shown on TOTP2 of performances from 26/02/70 (Kenny Rogers & 1st Edition being one that comes to mind) I do not think quality was an issue here. On the other hand, the episodes with mute DJ links look like they are definitely a "no go" with Einsfestival repeats - so the October 1970 Colour show (which I am sure we ALL want to see at some stage as we have only been fed bits & pieces from TOTP2 so far), as well as 01/07/71 (which was shown on UK Gold and Sister Station UK TV in Australia back in the 90's) are not in the line-up. That 30/12/71 whilst in good condition has far too much mute material from what I can see - and not just the DJ Links. So no chance of that one Apart from that, what a fantastic series of repeats so far - 50 shows from the 1970's will be a treat!! And many not shown on UK Gold either - eg The Noel Edmonds-hosted shows - I did not realise just how poor our old videotape UK Gold copies really look when you compare them to these digital quality repeats - those 2 early shows from 1970 come up fantastic!! (To one side now - it is worth noting the 4 colour clips that exist from 29/01/70 - Badfinger, Rare Bird, Jethro Tull & Blodwyn Pig were ALL shown in full on the French TV re-broadcasts of Summer 2008 - that was a wonderful series by the way - apart from the annoying large logo - and presented many of the great 70's performances from the show in absolute pristine condition - but in widescreen) From what I can see on the EinsFestival Website, the shows look like they are now going to start coming up in chronological order again - after the two 1973 shows were given a run in recent weeks - this week comes the surviving 1971 Christmas show Part 2 from 27/12/71, and it looks as though the following week has now updated to not being the 11/04/74 Noel Edmonds show (which has never been repeated) but the rare 16/11/72 show - which exists in monochrome at the BBC. This will be another treat - fingers crossed as of course the screened shows have not always been what has been expected so far. Then it looks as though the 28/12/72 Xmas show will be shown (Sans Gary Glitter of course) followed by the early 1973 shows, again in chronological order. Well done, to the enterprising folks over at Einsfestival for screening these classics again!!
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jun 9, 2009 8:52:59 GMT
This links in a strange way to my post on 'general' about the 'Black and White Minstrel Show'. Gary Glitter is a convicted criminal. That is understood, and while many people may vomit at the sight or thought of him being on screen, it is a fact he had hit records. I don't think the BBC should not show his clips - if they want to put a disclaimer, fine - but bear in mind that Gary Glitter is regularly pictured (post conviction) in one leading national newspaper on a regular basis.
I HATE historical revisionism with a passion. Don't edit or destroy the past. Deal with it.
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Post by Chris Barratt on Jun 11, 2009 11:43:22 GMT
I read somewhere that, in what proved to be a very wise move indeed, Paul Gadd sold the future royalties for his back catalogue for a six-figure sum in between being charged and convicted 10 years ago - which will go unreported of course, as the gutter press have created a media demon and thus he should be written out on history - or so they would like us to believe. The fact is the royalty issue isn't an issue, he has made his money on that 10 years ago, end of. Perhaps those of us on here who possess minds of our own would like to publicise this fact in order to liberate the history of 70's music from the Thought Police? Just a thought...
Any TOTP with Glitter in that is shown with him edited out is ruined IMHO - these shows are historical documents and shouldn't be bastardised to reflect the current opinions of some coke-snorting Tabloid Fascists. Of course, this isn't a problem for most of us here who possess superb untainted copies of both 28/11/72 & 15/11/73, but the 25/1/73, which the BBC have chosen to sit on for over 36 years, should be shown in full, end of. This also begs the question of how far this stupidity should stretch - should we also ban the Joan Jett GG cover versions? 'Hello' by Oasis (and thus, re-write one of the biggest selling albums of the 90's)? 'Doctorin' The Tardis' by The Timelords?
'Experiment IV' anybody?
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Post by Chris Barratt on Jun 11, 2009 11:47:13 GMT
Gary Glitter is a convicted criminal. That is understood, and while many people may vomit at the sight or thought of him being on screen I have thought for some time now that our society is starting to mirror that nightmare future depicted in A Clockwork Orange. Perhaps Glitter-induced vomitting is the way forward (along with a purge on all photo's of children taken for any reason at any time, of course) Show me the way to a small tropical island, sirs, I will gladly depart this sick, twisted country..... www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/5600/
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Post by Alan Turrell on Jun 11, 2009 16:42:30 GMT
I whole heartily agree with what you're saying chris but for people like me who do not have these episodes it's not right to cut out gary glitter performences because of the evil things he's done you cannot and should not tamper with musical history . When these shows were made he was a hero to many people i for one have nearly all his hit records and would have no hesitation in playing them .I want to watch these shows the way they were shown originally back in the 70s . If i don't feel i can watch the clips of gary glitter then i can simply switch it off.
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Post by Chris Barratt on Jun 11, 2009 17:26:10 GMT
What next? Will the charts of 72-75 be re-compiled and the likes of The Carpenters & The Osmonds be told that they did actually have UK #1's in 1973 as the #1 of that time has been airbrushed out of history entirely after a campaign by Rebekah Wade's Sun?
How about making ownership of any GG records a criminal offence?
In actuality, the man was guilty of possession of photo's of child abuse, indicating that he is a paedo. He was then hounded around the world by the UK press, and subsequently convicted in a country where you can buy and sell "justice" for less than the price of a round of drinks. A distasteful prick he may well be, "evil" - well, people who define that as evil simply need to get out more. Being genuinely "evil" in this country normally means a peerage is on it's way....
The truth is thus: without 20 years of unwavering support from the UK tabloid press, Glitter would have remained a footnote in music history, notable for a dozen singles between 1972-75. Kelvin McKenzie & his like kept him in comebacks & publicity, and succeeded in him becoming a "legend" by the dawn of the 90's. That is why they have chased and hounced him around the globe, not because he is "evil" or a "threat", simply revenge for the egg on their collective faces.
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Post by Eric Lawton on Jun 11, 2009 19:04:18 GMT
As Ive said to folk before, why stop at Glitter ? Airbrush all of Jonathan Kings tracks out of history too. And Phil Spectors songs. And all tracks by the Rolling Stones that featured Bill Wyman. Yes, all these Artistes commited criminal offences, but all are part of music history. If I choose not to watch or listen to any of the above mentioned........I'LL DECIDE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH !! This blasted country makes me puke.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2009 19:10:59 GMT
...and don't forget Jerry Lee Lewis and a whole host of others!
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Post by Eric Lawton on Jun 11, 2009 20:11:36 GMT
Exactly Laurence ! If this censorship is to be carried out to the letter of the law, we would be deprived of a lot of the music that was the soundtrack of our lives. And lets not forget Movies and lots of other TV Shows. Heck.......there'd be nothing left to watch OR listen to.
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