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Post by Mark Tinkler on Apr 22, 2009 11:44:07 GMT
Bearing in mind it went out live originally, the 1" tape of the show recording was, for many years, not put in the LWT tape archive but kept in the head of Production's office - since the demise of LWT and anyone at ITN Source who knows about the histroy of tapes, heaven knows where that tape is now.
It has been transmitted again in the UK at least once on, I think, a Channel 4 show, where they fair dealt it off a VHS...
I remember it as it was the first night I worked in TV - at C4 Presentation when I noticed something odd had just happened on ITV...
but indeed, get it off Youtube - completely inappropriate.
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Post by dave1turner on Apr 22, 2009 17:50:03 GMT
I wont swear here out of respect but it makes you sick to think what sort of people do this....tommy went out the way he wanted....makeing people laugh....and i think the people here would agree....R.I.P. Tommy......
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Post by lfbarfe on Apr 24, 2009 12:02:27 GMT
It has been transmitted again in the UK at least once on, I think, a Channel 4 show, where they fair dealt it off a VHS... Crucially, though, the C4 show (Was it a Heroes of Comedy? It will have been a John Fisher production, as I remember him being quoted in the press at the time) showed the act up to, but not including the fall. It went into slow-motion and cut out before Cooper fell. I'm in two minds about the whole thing. I'll admit that I watched it when I was informed of its presence. It's not pleasant viewing and maybe it was better not being in the public domain, but it is one of the most astonishing things ever seen on British television. Certainly, some of the asinine comments accompanying the clip on YouTube suggest that not everyone is watching it with the respect that we all have for TC. However, it was always a matter of when, not if. |
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Post by Mark Tinkler on Apr 24, 2009 15:39:13 GMT
I know the Heroes of Comedy show of which you speak, but there certainly was another more tasteless programme (may have been FIVE) which showed the collapse...
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Post by RWels on Apr 24, 2009 19:21:49 GMT
Isn't it in a way inevitable? It was repeated on tv several times. No surprise it turns op on youtube. The cat's out of the bag.
I wonder if the tv channels bothered to check with whoever runs Tommy Cooper's estate?
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Post by lfbarfe on Apr 24, 2009 19:38:01 GMT
There's a question of motivation. Some of the comments I saw were pure Beavis and Butthead - "Heh heh. The dude dies. It sucks, but it's also cool". Mercifully, they seem to have been removed. A lot of people who saw it happen at the time will want to confirm their memories of the event. Others who missed it, but who have heard all about it, might also want to see it. If you want to see it purely to see someone dying, that's pretty ghoulish and a world away from the motivation of just about everyone here who looked at the clip.
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Post by A Peel on Apr 24, 2009 20:01:22 GMT
. . . why was my earlier comment removed?
Andy
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Post by A Peel on Apr 24, 2009 20:43:56 GMT
My earlier (removed) comment was that I have trouble with some of the comments that have been made regarding the footage on YouTube of Tommy Cooper’s fatal heart attack. There is a distinct feeling of ‘its okay for ME to watch it but, really, other people should not be able to watch this’.
If you want to watch the footage of someone dying on stage then fine; do so, but do not criticise other people for doing the same. It is not honouring the man nor paying homage to him by watching his death. I really cannot see how people on this forum feel they can justify watching the footage by saying things such as they want to “confirm their memories” or that its “a world away” from morbid curiousity.
Please do not fudge the issue by trying to make it sound you are watching out of respect for Tommy Cooper and it is therefore somehow a morally right thing to do. And do not criticise other people who have their own (maybe different) reasons for deciding to watch the footage.
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Post by Mark Leech on Apr 24, 2009 20:44:45 GMT
I looked purely out of interest, as I've read all about it and was just curious. If no-one had pointed out the fact it was on YouTube I doubt I would have ever specifically searched for it. I certainly would not look for ghoulish or morbid reasons.
Having seen it over a week ago now, the image is still a haunting one and I wish I didn't look now. I certainly have no wish to ever see it again personally.
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Mark
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Post by RWels on Apr 24, 2009 21:43:57 GMT
There's a question of motivation. Some of the comments I saw were pure Beavis and Butthead - "Heh heh. The dude dies. It sucks, but it's also cool". That was only to be expected. The only comments I saw were from people who were shocked to see this. This kind of video is certain to attract trolls and stupid people, so my advice is, if you go there, don't read the comments. |
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Post by lfbarfe on Apr 25, 2009 0:09:45 GMT
My earlier (removed) comment was that I have trouble with some of the comments that have been made regarding the footage on YouTube of Tommy Cooper’s fatal heart attack. There is a distinct feeling of ‘its okay for ME to watch it but, really, other people should not be able to watch this’. In your mind. Personally, my feeling is that I'd rather no-one had been able to see it again. Christ, you make it sound like I was watching it with my trousers round my ankles. Well, it is. You can watch the Zapruder footage of JFK to try and work out what the hell happened, or you can watch it because you like seeing people discovering novel new ways of ventilating their brain. In this case, there's no conspiracy theory, but there is a 'what the hell happened?' at work. I wrote about the incident in my book on LE, working from my own recollections and interviews with two people who were working on the show. Having done so, when I was sent the link, I ummed and ahhed for a few minutes before watching. I wanted to make sure I'd got the story right, but wasn't sure I wanted to see the footage again. I didn't enjoy seeing someone I admired dying. The 35-year-old me merely wanted to make sure that the 10-year-old me had seen what I thought I had seen. What about if their reasons for watching are to get some kind of kick out of it? |
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Post by Colin Anderton on Apr 25, 2009 8:12:50 GMT
A. Peel wrote:
If you want to watch the footage of someone dying on stage then fine; do so, but do not criticise other people for doing the same.
I'm not generally into running down other members on this site, but I get a hint from the way you write of why your earlier comments may have been removed!
Occasionally one comes across someone who seems to enjoy racking up a polite exchange of views into slightly nasty argument.
There is a world of difference in watching this video from curiosity, sadness, etc, to watching for some kind of kick.
You write as if there's no difference.
Colin.
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