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Post by Alex Taylor on Sept 22, 2012 22:21:15 GMT
Do they now...that could certainly explain why the YT videos are all running at 29.97fps.
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Post by John Green on Sept 22, 2012 22:41:58 GMT
Alex,forgive my ignorance.You twigged all this ages ago?
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Post by Alex Taylor on Sept 22, 2012 23:09:53 GMT
The YT clips went up in July, I think. I haven't been able to find out whether Henson only hold clips or have the full episodes. Another DVD, 'The Best of Red', was released in August which included a couple of the episodes but unfortunately the disc turned out to be just the US shows again.
Henson definitely have at least clips from some other 'missing' episodes - a number of Captain/Sprocket and Travelling Matt clips were featured on the US Season Three DVD set. None of them came from episodes I don't have, but most of them were from episodes for which broadcast tapes are not thought to be available. It's possible of course that they simply have the original insert tapes rather than complete shows, but I now wonder if the Paley Center tapes contributed to the DVDs...
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Post by John Green on Sept 23, 2012 1:06:36 GMT
I've just twigged-finally-that the site cited above assumes that the tapes listed on Lostshows,and the the ones on Youtube are identical.Hence the puzzlement over the three episodes only existing in "fan owned,off air,non broadcast quality...and yet they all look in perfect condition to me" (as uploaded by Henson on Youtube).
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Post by Alex Taylor on Sept 23, 2012 11:15:01 GMT
The listing on lostshows.com doesn't match my records, and contains at least two errors: there were 96 shows, not 120; and what they have listed as 'Series Four' was actually two separate runs of episodes, so their 'Series Five' should be 'Series Six'.
Other than that, their list and totals do not match mine. From my own research, 39 are thought to be missing, not 34; and of the 57 which survive 28 are not known to exist in broadcast-quality, not 14. The page also omits several episodes which I have listed as 'missing' or VHS. Does this indicate a mistake in the lostshows database, or have more episodes been discovered?
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Post by John Green on Sept 23, 2012 12:22:49 GMT
Interesting!
I came a bit of a cropper on the 'Sergeant Cork' thread,because there can be a variation in the various series of a show,depending on which region you look at.IMDB seem to recognise 5 seasons of 'Fraggle'...
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Post by Alex Taylor on Sept 23, 2012 13:01:21 GMT
In the case of 'Fraggle', there were four production blocks, both in the US and the UK, each of 24 episodes (although exactly *which* 24 episodes made up each block differed slightly between the two countries). In the US, this was then split into five seasons for transmission, which will be what IMDB are showing.
In the UK it was split into seven series, over a much longer time-period: the US show ran from 1984-87, but in the UK it ran 1984-90.
Looking more closely at the lostshows list, I think what may have happened is this: my site lists 12 episodes as 'released on VHS'. This refers to the mid-80s RCA home-video releases, and the episodes have not been available since. lostshows omits all mention of these 12 episodes, which makes me suspect that whoever compiled that page incorrectly thought that I was talking about a *recent* VHS release which hadn't yet made it onto DVD and thus that the original tapes were still around.
They also omit a further batch of episodes which (to the best of my knowledge) either only exist as off-air recordings or do not exist at all. This batch tallies neatly with the list of episodes on the public-facing BFI database. Unfortunately this is just a partial list of broadcast details, and does not reflect the episodes the BFI actually have. Unless they've acquired more since the start of this year, the BFI only have the episodes listed on my site.
Bottom line: unless there have been discoveries of which I am unaware, there are 29 episodes available in broadcast-quality, 12 out on DVD and 17 at the BFI; a further 12 as commercial VHS releases and 16 as off-air recordings; and 39 missing.
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Post by John Green on Sept 23, 2012 23:37:17 GMT
Remember what George D says in reply No.16 above: Paley have no originals,no master tapes.So I'd guess that it was more likely that they got their copies from Henson,than that they provided the raw material for the recent clips?
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Post by Alex Taylor on Sept 24, 2012 7:43:42 GMT
If that were the case then I would expect the tapes to be PAL, not NTSC. The 12 released on DVD a few years back are the only episodes that Henson have, AFAIK, and none of them are included in that set of clips.
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Post by John Green on Oct 5, 2012 23:36:02 GMT
A short clip from 'Gobo's School for Explorers' 9/10/1988,which is listed as missing,has just been uploaded: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjCB1VNpkc8&feature=relmfu Mind you,I don't know if it's the whole episode that's missing,or just the lighthouse scenes!
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Post by Alex Taylor on Oct 6, 2012 9:32:14 GMT
None of the episodes are "missing" in that the original US edits all exist and indeed have been available on DVD for years. It's only the UK shows which have been lost.
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Post by John Green on Oct 6, 2012 9:38:24 GMT
So when Lostshows has one listed as missing,it's more correct to say that most of the show exists,it's 'just' the UK-specific content that's missing? It's just that for many series,Lostshows will put a note to that effect,and in the case of Fraggle it would make it much clearer what's missing.
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Post by Alex Taylor on Oct 6, 2012 10:01:01 GMT
You mean like the heading "Lost UK TV Shows Search Engine" that appears on every page? ;-)
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Post by John Green on Oct 6, 2012 13:32:31 GMT
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Post by Alex Taylor on Oct 6, 2012 17:15:58 GMT
I suppose you *could* argue that it's only clips that are missing, but from the perspective of an episode-hunt we are looking for the complete shows - the UK-specific inserts are the main difference between the UK and US edits, but they are not the only ones. For example, I'm told by the sound supervisor for the first two years of the UK show that they routinely dubbed extra sound effects in over the US-shot scenes, and I know that there was sometimes extra incidental music used too.
Bottom line: we would want the complete UK edits to be recovered.
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