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Post by Ant Harvison - WIPED NEWS on Apr 4, 2009 9:24:49 GMT
Quite confused about this so hope someone can clairfy. Lostshows.com says episodes The Phone, The Puppy, Aunt Maud and Up The Polls are missing, but exist complete as domestic video recordings. Does that mean these episodes do exist complete in some form and are back with the BBC, are in private hands and inaccessible, are known to exist but can't be played back, or something else completely?  |
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Post by Stephen Doran on Apr 4, 2009 9:31:44 GMT
Who had VCRS in those days i didnt think they were available till 1974?
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Post by Ant Harvison - WIPED NEWS on Apr 4, 2009 10:50:04 GMT
They must have been about in some form because there's a domestic recording of Doctor Who: The Space Pirates ep 2 from 1969 floating around. The downside being episode 2 is the only one of the story to exist. Typical.
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Post by Mark Brown on Apr 4, 2009 11:14:01 GMT
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Post by Andrew Doherty on Apr 4, 2009 12:05:02 GMT
Who had VCRS in those days i didnt think they were available till 1974? Don't forget the Sony CV-2000 reel to reel video tape recorder that was available from 1966 in the UK. Yours, |
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Post by Andy Howells on Apr 4, 2009 20:07:41 GMT
I saw The phone episode at the Missing Believed Wiped session at the BFI back when the DA episodes were recovered. Someone had painstakingly reconstructed it from an early video recording - it had been a labour of love as I think he said the tape heads were getting serious fluxing from the tape and he was literally recording it in 6 - 8 second segments (sorry I can't remember all the technicallities but it was literally a marvellous feat!) I think there were several jumps in the recording and i remember the soundtrack was certainly over the top - with elements of feedback in places - I think they said at the time it certainly wasnt broadcast quality in its present state but it was certainly enjoyed by all who caught this rare showing including myself!
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Post by cperry on Apr 4, 2009 22:47:30 GMT
The Phone, Aunt Maud and Up the Polls exist ex-reel to reel recordings. All are back at the BBC.
The Puppy - six minutes exist, we showed it in March 2009. Ex reel to reel again, BBC also have a copy.
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Post by Ant Harvison - WIPED NEWS on Apr 5, 2009 7:10:18 GMT
Thanks everyone. Much clearer now!
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Post by adriane17 on Apr 6, 2009 18:55:08 GMT
The Phone certainly seemed of releasable quality when it was shown at The BFI - if 2Entertain ever get round to giving us a DVD of the stuff....
Several years before there was a screening at a MBW of a partial VHS of, I think, Till Closing Time Do Us Part or it may have been Peace & Goodwill. It was much ropier than The Phone but we were told that a far more complete & by implication better quality version was in the process of being recovered. Was it?
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Post by Kevin Clark on Jun 27, 2009 17:25:12 GMT
I have a DVD of Till Closing Time Us Do Part that's very good quality - I got it from a seller in the States. Hopefully more of this lost material will surface.
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Post by RWels on Jul 1, 2009 10:04:35 GMT
Up the polls is missing the beginning, but it looks OK. (It has gotten round to collectors.)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2009 12:15:41 GMT
Several years before there was a screening at a MBW of a partial VHS of, I think, Till Closing Time Do Us Part or it may have been Peace & Goodwill. It was much ropier than The Phone but we were told that a far more complete & by implication better quality version was in the process of being recovered. Was it? Till Closing Time exists as master b/w VT (unusually for the time). Peace & Goodwill must be what you are talking about as I think the copy was incomplete and even on VHS only at one point. Not sure if it ever was recovered in full though (possibly not), although a print (I think) exists. |
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Post by Stephen Doran on Jul 1, 2009 12:27:46 GMT
Wish Peace/Goodwill would have been included in the extras on the 74 set then
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jul 1, 2009 15:50:07 GMT
Till Closing Time exists as master b/w VT (unusually for the time). Peace & Goodwill must be what you are talking about as I think the copy was incomplete and even on VHS only at one point. Not sure if it ever was recovered in full though (possibly not), although a print (I think) exists. Till Closing Time was of course repeated on BBC4. They actually wanted to screen 'The Phone', but restoring it on the budget they had was pricey. Aunt Maud only exists in the BBC archive as an off-air audio. The original off-air video recordings of both Aunt Maud and The Phone are with Martin Loach. Martin did a camera copy in pieces which I edited together at Pebble Mill on a D3. That recording is in the BBC archive and the BFi have a betaSP copy of it. Martin still has the Aunt Maud master and his analog copy in 405. We did attempt to make a digital copy of this via a new box of tricks I had but that was only partially successful. I still have the bits, but it's not in the BBC archive. At some point I will do this properly. The actual recordings were made on a one inch Peto Scott format which was an industrial machine used in surveillance and film production. It was capable of recording both 405 and 625 lines, just like U-Matic. Regards, Paul |
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Post by RWels on Jul 1, 2009 17:07:25 GMT
The actual recordings were made on a one inch Peto Scott format which was an industrial machine used in surveillance and film production. It was capable of recording both 405 and 625 lines, just like U-Matic. Yes, just what we needed: yet another obsolete format. So someone used that to record the off air copies you mentioned? Edit: Oh, it's related to the philips EL or LDL decks. And has replacable video heads, apparently. www.oldtechnology.net/reeltoreel.htmlBut are the tapes interchangeable? Who had VCRS in those days i didnt think they were available till 1974? You have well over 1,000 posts on this board, so I hope that was a joke. |
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