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Post by Peter Bradford on Jan 31, 2009 18:49:12 GMT
... A move to generate proper television might be not to prerecord the show so it can be nicely edited or sanitised; but to put it out live and risk errors like the Bee Gees walk out on Clive Anderson which make for real; rivetting T.V. .. Just for the record, Clive Anderson's show was always pre-recorded and edited. |
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Post by Eric Lawton on Jan 31, 2009 19:18:26 GMT
Peter Elliot said................Excuse me, but isn't Deidre a fictional character that doesn't exist? Why was so many people getting into a lather over someone that is the figment of writers imaginations yet if it was a real life neighbour wrongly jailed, people would not be anywhere near as bothered?
That is SO true Peter. Around 27-28 years ago, I worked with a right p***k. He loved Corry. One morning, he came in work swearing and muttering under his breath. He was really ratty with 3 or 4 of the lads and then had a go at me. I remember jumping down of a scaffold, getting hold of him and saying words to the effect of "Whats your f*****g problem" ?
The Pillock literally broke down and spluttered " Why, if that Ken Barlow threw a punch at me, Id lace him, why didnt Baldwin get up and drop him"
Apparently, ( and I dont watch crap, so I didnt know ) Barlow had punched Baldwin over some affair with Dierdre.
Obviously, this idiot was on Baldwins side.
How can these stupid, ignorant, simple imbeciles get real life and soap life mixed up ?? Theres lots of folk like this idiot I knew, who sit watching mind numbing TV like this. Its bloody frightening. And with reality TV, its getting worse. I once took the micky out of a friend of mine who stayed up ALL NIGHT watching Big Brother. "But theyre asleep in bloody bed" I said. Crikey, she was SO indignant. "No, No, sometimes one of them will go and get a glass of water, or go to the bathroom and they might talk to one of the others"
I couldnt believe my ears !
Anyway, Ill shut up now, I think Ill go and watch some old "ON THE BUSES"
What a bloody country this is turning into !
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Post by Peter Elliott on Jan 31, 2009 19:33:04 GMT
Peter Elliot said................Excuse me, but isn't Deidre a fictional character that doesn't exist? Why was so many people getting into a lather over someone that is the figment of writers imaginations yet if it was a real life neighbour wrongly jailed, people would not be anywhere near as bothered? That is SO true Peter. Around 27-28 years ago, I worked with a right p***k. He loved Corry. One morning, he came in work swearing and muttering under his breath. He was really ratty with 3 or 4 of the lads and then had a go at me. I remember jumping down of a scaffold, getting hold of him and saying words to the effect of "Whats your f*****g problem" ? The Pillock literally broke down and spluttered " Why, if that Ken Barlow threw a punch at me, Id lace him, why didnt Baldwin get up and drop him" Apparently, ( and I dont watch crap, so I didnt know ) Barlow had punched Baldwin over some affair with Dierdre. Obviously, this idiot was on Baldwins side. How can these stupid, ignorant, simple imbeciles get real life and soap life mixed up ?? Theres lots of folk like this idiot I knew, who sit watching mind numbing TV like this. Its bloody frightening. And with reality TV, its getting worse. I once took the micky out of a friend of mine who stayed up ALL NIGHT watching Big Brother. "But theyre asleep in bloody bed" I said. Crikey, she was SO indignant. "No, No, sometimes one of them will go and get a glass of water, or go to the bathroom and they might talk to one of the others" I couldnt believe my ears ! Anyway, Ill shut up now, I think Ill go and watch some old "ON THE BUSES" What a bloody country this is turning into ! Right on! I used to get stuff like that at school and work as well with people coming on whining about some character's plight or mistreatment. Another thing that really REALLY gets up my nose about soaps nowadays is that the viewers KNOW what is gonna happen because the storylines get printed in those soaps mags that scream all the "exclusives". Now... what is the point of that? No element of surprise at all. Look at what happened after the final episode of the first series of "Doom Watch". Viewers were genuinely shocked by Toby Wren being killed off at the end of the episode. Then in 1975 when PC Skinner was murdered in "Z Cars". Again... it was a shock because he was the most popular character during that era. Then of course Adric getting killed off at the end of "Earthshock" in 1982, though on that occasion I think more people were cheering with joy! Either way, these demonstrated the power of television to surprise and shock and it made those shows all the more compelling and memorable. In EastEnders it was known months in advance that Dirty Den would return, somehow resurrected from the dead and then everyone knew he would be killed off for the final time weeks in advance. Just what is the point? Do these people buy Agatha Christie books and read the final pages first? And how anybody could sit through Big Brother mystifies me, let alone the way they get so wrapped up in it to an obsessive degree. For the first series, fair enough. Same with "I'm A Celebrity, Get Me Out Of Here!" I did watch and enjoy the first series of that but along came a second series... same old same old. Boring. And on and on that drones. Unbelievable. What rubs it in with these shows and especially "Strictly Come Dancing" are the mind numbing waste of spaces that are the spin off shows hogging the schedules and wasting everyone's time. Was it really necessary to drag "Strictly" out into 5 dumb weekly shows with all the "gossip" and "behind the scenes" nonsense? And then there are some people who wonder WHY TV is in such a dire state! As for me, I concluded my going through "On The Buses" last week and currently re-enjoying "Are You Being Served?"!!! |
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Post by Eric Lawton on Jan 31, 2009 22:10:58 GMT
In the early 80s, I worked the door of a local pub / disco.
The quietest night we EVER had was the night that Dallas was on.............and folk wanted to find out "Who shot JR".
I cant remember that ever being leaked. As you rightly say Peter, I dont watch ANY soaps at all.........but by reading the papers can tell you whats going to happen in the damn things.
BTW.........As a child, the Missus never watched TIMESLIP, so, we are going to start on that tonight.
Better than bloody Graham Norton !
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Post by Alan Turrell on Feb 1, 2009 19:13:40 GMT
Now in the golden age of tv the itv channels were all different regional networks i.e anglia,southern,channel,westward ,london etc,i can remember looking at the tv channels in the newspaper and seeing for example fireball xl5 being on midlands but not on my channel which was southern alot of programmes were all on different times on different itv networks and different days .You didn't get like the flintstones on every damn day of the week it was shown once a week .so you really looked forward to it .If only someone could invent a time machine so we could go back in time and tape all those brilliant shows.
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Post by Peter Chadwick on Feb 2, 2009 8:23:19 GMT
Better than bloody Graham Norton ! Ramming a knitting needle into your ear is better than Graham Norton. Has roughly the same effect, too. |
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Post by Eric Lawton on Feb 2, 2009 9:20:48 GMT
Wasnt it Edmund Blackadder in "Blackadder goes forth" who said "Id rather have my tongue beaten wafer thin with a steak tenderiser, and then stapled to the floor with a croquet hoop"
Also : " Hes about as funny as getting an arrow through the neck.........and then finding out theres a gas bill tied to it"
Edmund certainly speaks for me. Why, he could be actually describing Graham Norton there !
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Post by johnstewart on Feb 3, 2009 15:41:05 GMT
... A move to generate proper television might be not to prerecord the show so it can be nicely edited or sanitised; but to put it out live and risk errors like the Bee Gees walk out on Clive Anderson which make for real; rivetting T.V. .. Just for the record, Clive Anderson's show was always pre-recorded and edited. I'm gobsmacked they let the Bee Gees edition go out then! In the case of Jonathan Ross I can imagine if that happened on a recording he wouldn't let it go out. This aspect is one of the problems as I see it; hes become a would be celebrity himself; who has celebs on his show so he can effectively ridicule or insult them. But if they turned the cards on him' it wouldn't be allowed. But I bet half the nation who couldn't stand Ross would then switch on to it and the ratings would soar.l |
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Post by Peter Elliott on Feb 3, 2009 16:07:54 GMT
In the case of Jonathan Ross I can imagine if that happened on a recording he wouldn't let it go out. This aspect is one of the problems as I see it; hes become a would be celebrity himself; who has celebs on his show so he can effectively ridicule or insult them. But if they turned the cards on him' it wouldn't be allowed. But I bet half the nation who couldn't stand Ross would then switch on to it and the ratings would soar.l Reminds me of Chris Evans. Now whatever happened to him? I hated that guy because for a few years he seemed to be dominant on TV but what I hated about him was it was OK for him to take the p*** out of everyone around him but the moment anybody dared give it back, he couldn't take it... you could see he was furious. He put himself way above everybody else and eventually people got wise and sick of him. Good riddance! |
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Post by Eric Lawton on Feb 3, 2009 17:56:13 GMT
I wonder if they would put it out if someone broke his nose.
Id be VERY tempted.
Or should I say Bwoke his nose !
Another guy who has NOTHING AT ALL to offer me as a licence payer.
Hes as funny as piles.
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Post by Peter Bradford on Feb 3, 2009 18:14:08 GMT
Just for the record, Clive Anderson's show was always pre-recorded and edited. I'm gobsmacked they let the Bee Gees edition go out then! In the case of Jonathan Ross I can imagine if that happened on a recording he wouldn't let it go out. This aspect is one of the problems as I see it; hes become a would be celebrity himself; who has celebs on his show so he can effectively ridicule or insult them. But if they turned the cards on him' it wouldn't be allowed. But I bet half the nation who couldn't stand Ross would then switch on to it and the ratings would soar.l Why shouldn't they let it go out? The BeeGee's were billed to appear on it ... so appear on it they did. Clive Anderson wasn't averse to a bit of free 'controversial' publicity. |
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Post by Jeff Lewis on Feb 3, 2009 20:43:58 GMT
I'm gobsmacked they let the Bee Gees edition go out then! In the case of Jonathan Ross I can imagine if that happened on a recording he wouldn't let it go out. This aspect is one of the problems as I see it; hes become a would be celebrity himself; who has celebs on his show so he can effectively ridicule or insult them. But if they turned the cards on him' it wouldn't be allowed. But I bet half the nation who couldn't stand Ross would then switch on to it and the ratings would soar.l Why shouldn't they let it go out? The BeeGee's were billed to appear on it ... so appear on it they did. Clive Anderson wasn't averse to a bit of free 'controversial' publicity. From what came out later The Gibbs told Clive Anderson he could make fun of their name with the 'Le Tossers' quip. Anderson was totally shocked when they got up and walked out. |
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Post by John Wall on Feb 4, 2009 18:19:43 GMT
With all of these things it's basically money. It's not that long ago when, in the UK, we only had three channels, no cable, no satellite. In those days an ITV franchise was "a licence to print money" as there weren't many ways for advertisers to reach a mass audience. When you're in that type of situation you can afford to innovate as you can be sure of getting a reasonable percentage of the audience. Nowadays there are so many different avenues for advertisers to reach an audience - and in some cases a targeted audience - that there's tremendous pressure to be able to deliver viewing figures. Think of the money paid for the TV rights for football ! That means tried and tested programming, preferably low cost. I suspect that the days of significant amounts of high quality ITV costume drama series are behind us.
Anybody who wants a future for high quality, innovative British TV should look to Auntie continuing to be funded by a licence.
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Post by Peter Bradford on Feb 4, 2009 20:26:09 GMT
Why shouldn't they let it go out? The BeeGee's were billed to appear on it ... so appear on it they did. Clive Anderson wasn't averse to a bit of free 'controversial' publicity. From what came out later The Gibbs told Clive Anderson he could make fun of their name with the 'Le Tossers' quip. Anderson was totally shocked when they got up and walked out. I don't know what was agreed beforehand, but what you saw on telly was pretty much how it happened at the time. Clive didn't seem particularly shocked to me. |
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