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Post by Colin Anderton on Nov 17, 2008 11:13:53 GMT
Paul,
Further to my enquiries started on the thread about Dad's Army, can you tell me what audio and/or video (or tele-recordings) exist of the BBC or ITV coverage of all the manned flights in the Apollo programme (7-17)? Or can you direct me to where I can get this information?
I would be most grateful, as more seems to exist than I thought.
Also, is there any chance of getting a copy of your BBC 4 programme? I never knew about it until after transmission!
Colin.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Nov 20, 2008 21:16:34 GMT
can you tell me what audio and/or video (or tele-recordings) exist of the BBC or ITV coverage of all the manned flights in the Apollo programme (7-17)? Hi Colin, Can't help with ITV I'm afraid. For BBC there is a lot of material up to Apollo 10. Just about everything. After that, it's a bit of a mess. Pretty much all the missions have the satellite material when it was used for other 'repeat' programmes. So there are compilation tapes etc... The fabled missing moon landing footage PasB does exist as I reported a few months ago. It's brief, on a compilation tape, but it is the BBC PasB recording of the actual landing moment and the caption. FR's for the prep, launch and mission of Apollo 7-10. The Apollo launch programme for Apollo 8 is indeed there on Quad and in colour although suffers from off-locks when cutting to non sync sources such as Jodrell Bank. There is an excellent Apollo 12 programme which is in colour and features Moore, Burke et al and they discuss in a great deal of detail the burning out of the camera tube. Apollo 13; some fascinating material here including studio recordings of the live bulletins. These include Burke discussing the tone he will use with the producer. Various of these bulletins survive across a series of compilation tapes. The Splashdown programme is intact in colour. After that, there is very little PasB material. I don't know to what extent the BBC covered them. All that is left for example of Apollo 17 is a highlights package with a taped intro and commentary from Dave Scott, Burke, Moore and Schumacher. Annoyingly the live part of it wasn't recorded so we don't have that. Never mind. I will at some point produce something more definitive than this. Regarding 'Apollo 11', I suspect that BBC4 will repeat it next year. There is a non moon night version in the archive and the days of the week have been corrected on all versions. Regards, Paul |
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Post by Koen Br on Nov 20, 2008 22:20:10 GMT
I have a feeling there's a brilliant Apollo 13 programme there waiting to be made. Would be ideal as a tie-in with the 40th anniversary. Perhaps you could suggest that to the BBC (he said naively).
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Post by Andy Howells on Nov 20, 2008 23:26:59 GMT
Sounds fascinating, lets hope these get seen again at some point
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2008 8:35:51 GMT
It just seems so totally bizarre to me that the Apollo coverage is pretty comprehensive up till and after "the" big one (Apollo 11), of which there is so little!
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Post by Colin Anderton on Nov 21, 2008 11:14:22 GMT
After that, there is very little PasB material. I don't know to what extent the BBC covered them.
Paul,
As someone who audio taped the missions (as soon as I could afford a good reel-to-reel tape machine), I can assure you that the BBC covered the later missions in quite some detail - possibly better than in the U.S. - especially while they were around and on the Moon.
I believe the highlights package you mentioned from Apollo 17 is a programme broadcast while the crew was still in lunar orbit, at lunchtime after the previous night's lunar lift-off (dating it as December 15 1972).
This is from memory, but I taped it, along with all the other broadcasts - and I think it's this programme that Patrick Moore used to show the launch during a "Sky at Night" programme, when he interviewed 17 commander Eugene Cernan in 1982. You can hear a bit of James Burke's commentary in the background under Patrick Moore's voice.
I am SO pleased to hear that a lot of the early flight coverage has survived - but when, oh when, might we get a chance to see it?
DVD, perhaps? I'd pay a lot for it!!!
Colin.
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Post by Colin Anderton on Nov 21, 2008 11:21:44 GMT
So the colour video of the Apollo 8 launch coverage exists? For years I thought only a low-quality b/w t/r was in the archives, as this is what was used during the moon-landing anniversary programme in 1994. Even then, they only showed a couple of bits of the countdown - not the actual launch.
When was this Apollo 8 colour tape discovered? It must have been lost for some years, and this, of course, raises hopes that other stuff may be in the archives awaiting discovery.
Colin.
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Post by Gary Critcher on Nov 21, 2008 13:25:33 GMT
Lads, you do know about these people, don't you?? www.spacecraftfilms.com/ They re-master, tidy up, dig out virtually everything, from NASA's holdings and put them out on DVD. I have their Apollo 13 box set, which comprises 3 DVD's. It contains ALL the in-flight TV transmissions, complete on-board 16mm film shot by the crew, an original 43 doco, crew preparation footage plus Mission Control footage, with a new commentary by Sy Liebergot! It's over 12 hours long!! They have done this for quite a few of the Apollo missions, plus tons of Gemini and other stuff. I also have their Apollo 8 box set. Stunning! You can access the launch footage from something like 5 different cameras, all in stunning quality. |
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Post by Colin Anderton on Nov 22, 2008 8:05:52 GMT
Thanks for that Gary - yes, they have in fact now covered all the Mercury/Gemini/Apollo flights. But nothing quite matches the form in which many of us saw the actual live events.
I have just bought the latest (December) "Sky at Night" magazine - and you may like to know there is a CD-Rom with it, which has almost the complete programme from the BBC covering the first TV broadcast from lunar orbit. There's a lot of James Burke and Patrick Moore, as well as Bernard Lovell speaking from Jodrell Bank.
Grab it while you can!
Colin.
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Post by Gary Critcher on Nov 22, 2008 8:22:34 GMT
Blimey !! I'll have a look for it in my local WH Smiths today then!
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Post by Peter Stirling on Nov 22, 2008 11:41:10 GMT
So the colour video of the Apollo 8 launch coverage exists? For years I thought only a low-quality b/w t/r was in the archives, as this is what was used during the moon-landing anniversary programme in 1994. Even then, they only showed a couple of bits of the countdown - not the actual launch. When was this Apollo 8 colour tape discovered? It must have been lost for some years, and this, of course, raises hopes that other stuff may be in the archives awaiting discovery. Colin. There was talk that the Apollo 11 landing was recorded in a non TV standard band ( this is was what arrived in Australia from the Moon and telerecorded on a 525 line camera back to the States) but they have not been able to recover the tapes yet. If these non standard tapes could be recovered, it would bring a new definition to the moon landings as all we have at the moment is a signal recieved in Australia telerecorded to the USA on 525 lines , and then telerecorded again from a video projection screen to the rest of the world (apparently no line feed was availble to the world's TV just a large screen in a room that they could film from) |
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Post by Koen Br on Jun 18, 2009 15:26:40 GMT
I'm buggered if I can find the original thread, so I'll use this one instead to mention the fact Paul Vanezis' Apollo 11 programme finally gets a repeat screening this Sunday at 11.30 p.m.
I missed it back in 2007, so I'm glad I'll finally get a chance to watch it!
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Post by Gary Critcher on Jun 18, 2009 18:46:03 GMT
Brilliant! Thanks indeed for the heads up.
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Post by Gary Mooney on Jun 21, 2009 11:55:08 GMT
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Post by Dan S on Jun 23, 2009 1:18:32 GMT
I'm buggered if I can find the original thread, so I'll use this one instead to mention the fact Paul Vanezis' Apollo 11 programme finally gets a repeat screening this Sunday at 11.30 p.m. I missed it back in 2007, so I'm glad I'll finally get a chance to watch it! I missed it, but Virginmedia has it on demand so I'll watch it tomorrow. I just watched the first few minutes and they messed up the aspect ratio, stretching the 4:3 into widescreen so everyone looks short & fat. Anyone know if this was BBC4's fault or Virginmedias? |
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