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Zokko!
Oct 20, 2004 21:42:47 GMT
Post by Laurence Piper on Oct 20, 2004 21:42:47 GMT
Certainly most, if not all, of Outa Space survives on tape.
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Zokko!
Oct 20, 2004 23:17:00 GMT
Post by Andy Henderson on Oct 20, 2004 23:17:00 GMT
Well...someone should be thankful it does given the obscurity factor. It hasn't got repeat value now....
Zokko score 3
Andy Henderson score 1
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Zokko!
Nov 2, 2004 21:57:07 GMT
Post by John Miller on Nov 2, 2004 21:57:07 GMT
Come, come Andy, is this idea really worth anyone entering into, after all this is your view, full stop.
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Zokko!
Nov 2, 2004 22:15:34 GMT
Post by Andy Henderson on Nov 2, 2004 22:15:34 GMT
Just as you are entitled to your own views. Just as we all are on this forum.
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Zokko!
Nov 16, 2004 19:48:00 GMT
Post by John Miller on Nov 16, 2004 19:48:00 GMT
O.K. well I'm sorry if my comment seemed to stoop to a childish level, just once again I would disagree with you that this type of item has no value. I can't understand why you seem so determined to decry these obscure items of popular culture. 'Zokko' was very interesting & a slice of the 'pop art' look that occasionally arose in that 1968-70 period. I think a lot of the younger collegey types of today would take to it. Recently the show has received a lot of feedback when raised by Danny Baker on his radio show and Victor Lewis smith in his book 'buygones' & various retrospects. The range of feedback on this forum also indicates a growing impetus in interest in the item. I think it has largely been forgotten due to the lack of raising the title in the media over the years, the same media that quotes 'Abba' repeatedly as apparently 'the greatest songwiters this century' & wholesomely seems to beleive gangster rappers are all that black culture has to offer.
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Zokko!
Nov 16, 2004 20:08:59 GMT
Post by Stephen Doran on Nov 16, 2004 20:08:59 GMT
i used to get this mixed up with whoosh around 1968.
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Zokko!
Nov 21, 2004 18:18:48 GMT
Post by John Miller on Nov 21, 2004 18:18:48 GMT
Just as you are entitled to your own views. Just as we all are on this forum. The reason I drew objection though was that the sole function of commenting your view in this thread seemed to be to enter early into a thread with the sole purpose of ridiculing an obscure missing item and lampooning it out of public interest or following up investigation to yield finds. I thought the latter was at the heart of the main purpose to this forum?
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Zokko!
Nov 24, 2004 17:55:37 GMT
Post by John Miller on Nov 24, 2004 17:55:37 GMT
P.S. 'Lamthingying' isn't what I typed! - the anti swear filter must have transformed it- the word was L-A-M-P-O-O-N ! If this gets filtered, 'sending up' is what I was trying to say..
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Zokko!
Dec 16, 2004 12:07:11 GMT
Post by Laurence Piper on Dec 16, 2004 12:07:11 GMT
O.K. well I'm sorry if my comment seemed to stoop to a childish level, just once again I would disagree with you that this type of item has no value. I can't understand why you seem so determined to decry these obscure items of popular culture. 'Zokko' was very interesting & a slice of the 'pop art' look that occasionally arose in that 1968-70 period. I think a lot of the younger collegey types of today would take to it. I've recently been looking at this show again so it prompted me to seek out this thread! I agree that it's an important show for the reasons that you give, John - and viewing it from outside the parameters of purely personal opinion, it's also notable as being the first truly home-grown Saturday morning kid's show. Before this point it was all a melange of Hanna Barbera cartoons, silent films and other imports. So it has a historical significance too. I just hope that something from the first series is also around out there (and there's no reason to suppose there isn't as at least one from the later series was telerecorded - so why not the first?)
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Zokko!
Dec 16, 2004 12:56:21 GMT
Post by John Miller on Dec 16, 2004 12:56:21 GMT
Another observation is that 'Zokko!' clearly seemed to draw upon some of the surreal content in films the BBC used in its trade test transmissions around that period. It was sort of taking from BBC2 and putting that element onto BBC1. Like 'Vision On' the content revolved mainly around its visual images, with little dialogue. It was quite non descript, an example of the period in which the BBC were really pushing the boundaries and setting standards with their creative intuition.
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Zokko!
Dec 16, 2004 22:32:46 GMT
Post by Laurence Piper on Dec 16, 2004 22:32:46 GMT
The first series of Zokko was stronger on the surreal / pop art elements though, I think. I mentioned here before that a lot of the original format of the show was replaced wholesale in the second series. You are never sure by the later episodes quite why it was called Zokko in the first place! The psychedelic pinball machine was gone, which was the framing device for many of the regular features.
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Zokko!
Dec 22, 2004 19:24:41 GMT
Post by John Miller on Dec 22, 2004 19:24:41 GMT
I do seem to recall something like a funfair organ, with lava lamp type transparent tubes containing liquid. I have a drawing from school days of both the 'new style' and old 'Zokko'. The title was vague as to whether it was the name of the machine (being written on the front), or to describe a programme with action and punch for kids, in comic strip language. I think the latter could be assumed to have been adopted for second series as the computer thing wasn't instantly recognisable as being 'Zokko' as a character. From my school days memory I assume the machine was still meant to be the robot, evolved into a cyber planner thing with no face. Most of the linked items in my and friends memories; ("score thir - teen: speed ride" on toboggan & big dipper, Ali Bongo doing magic, a pipe organ with minatures, and a joke page on a notice board); would seem to hail from series one (missing). The style had an accent on visual content rather than dialogue. I recall reading the producer was Paul Ciani (Play school?) This might explain the link style, zooming in to stock film items, similar to the 'through the window' item in 'Play school'.
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Zokko!
Dec 23, 2004 15:49:39 GMT
Post by William Martin on Dec 23, 2004 15:49:39 GMT
P.S. 'Lamthingying' isn't what I typed! - the anti swear filter must have transformed it- the word was L-A-M-P-O-O-N ! If this gets filtered, 'sending up' is what I was trying to say.. it doesn't like p-o-o-n does it (so to speak)
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Zokko!
Dec 24, 2004 7:53:07 GMT
Post by Andy Thompson on Dec 24, 2004 7:53:07 GMT
[ Most of the linked items in my and friends memories; ("score thir - teen: speed ride" on toboggan & big dipper, Ali Bongo doing magic, ]
There was another Saturday morning schedule filler called Ali Bongo's Cartoon Carnival wasn't there?
BTW - I recall the ice age SF serial in Outer Space was called "Vitar and the Ice Monster". It was neralded by some exciting and ultimately misleading orchestral stock music as the serial was rather dull.
The importance of Zokko, Cartoon Carnival and Outer Space lies in the fact that they are clearly primeval versions of Tiswas and Swap Shop - ie. specially made link material for bought-in and archive footage. Certainly any history of the battle between Tiswas and Swap needs to start with them.
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Zokko!
Jan 9, 2005 23:25:08 GMT
Post by John Miller on Jan 9, 2005 23:25:08 GMT
[ Most of the linked items in my and friends memories; ("score thir - teen: speed ride" on toboggan & big dipper, Ali Bongo doing magic, ] There was another Saturday morning schedule filler called Ali Bongo's Cartoon Carnival wasn't there? BTW - I recall the ice age SF serial in Outer Space was called "Vitar and the Ice Monster". It was neralded by some exciting and ultimately misleading orchestral stock music as the serial was rather dull. The importance of Zokko, Cartoon Carnival and Outer Space lies in the fact that they are clearly primeval versions of Tiswas and Swap Shop - ie. specially made link material for bought-in and archive footage. Certainly any history of the battle between Tiswas and Swap needs to start with them. I agree. 'Vidar & the ice monster' I understand was the serial in 'OUTA SPACE' as Zokko! had 'Skayn', another science fiction illustrated thing. Your info on Ali Bongo was very interesting as it answers a mystery puzzling myself & friends for years. I assume the Ali Bongo show was another BBC production. Wonder if it exists?..
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