Blimey the Day Tripper / We can work it out were very substandard dubs then.. very much like sony open reel dubs from the 60's you could say !! they not only had acres of dropout.. but some weird Ghosting and Printhough just like 40YO home VT !!!
I remember being surprised at how cruddy they looked, as my only real exposure to the Beatles' promos up to Anthology had been a Beatles Day on MTV c.1993 (heralding Magical Mystery Tour's video release?) when both were looped through the day in a far better condition.
I'm intrigued to know whether the average man in the street, in this case a collector, has the ability to safely store these cans of films for future generation.Example should this person pass away isn't there a very real danger these 'cans' could be seen a junk.
"In summary, I have always believed (and now know for sure after viewing recently some exceedingly rare Beatles footage ) that there are many collectors out there who keep their rare items untraded and such was the case with this chap". Keith Badman (08/09/08)
"So it appears 3 missing TOTP shows are out there somewhere. I just hope they still exist and haven't been destroyed. One can only speculate as to where they are now".
Nothing surprises me about this. I've always thought that some collectors will not reveal / circulate what they have and also that there are more TOTP out there. I very much doubt if they've been destroyed though (especially if they paid money for them) and knowing the rarity value (which I don't for one moment think that they were unaware of). It's tracking them down and getting the owners to offer copies to the archives that's going to be the difficult bit though.
Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Sept 9, 2008 6:59:16 GMT
I wish Apple would have done what was done (not by them) for 'Born to Boogie'. The restoration film process here was startlingly good, and is discussed in detail on the 2nd disc of that release. Of course, Anthology is about thirteen years old now, so maybe one hopes it can be upgraded in time....unlikely, but you never know....releases trickle out, and discoveries get made now and again, so....I'm not 100 per cent pessimistic about anything. I personally think there's still a fair bit of stuff out there undiscovered or forgotten. And this includes Paperback Writer and Rain on TOTP....
Though the June 1966 TOTP is regarded as a holy grail of sorts - for good reason - my own personal Beatles grail would have to be any TV footage from October 1962 to June or July 1963. Home movie footage apart, there is absolutely no TV footage that has survived from that era. This is unfortunate because this gap is an important one in Beatles history chronicling the build up to what we know as Beatlemania. It includes several Granada TV appearances, the first Nationwide appearance on Thank Your Lucky Stars, some Childrens TV material... generally footage which for many lucky enough to be around in that era would had been the first time the general British public got to see The Beatles in action.
We therefore don't have "current" footage of them performing the first few singles which of course helped put them on the map. TONS of radio material, but no TV. So, in effect we are missing some important foundations in Beatles history which tends to get overlooked or ignored. I would guess the chance of anything turning up is rather low, but there must be something out there somewhere.
It's just a shame we have that August 1962 Cavern footage and then virtually nothing for almost a year after that. That is quite a gap in The Beatles chronology when one considers the plentiful amount that exists from late 1963 onwards.
Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Sept 9, 2008 10:08:11 GMT
I have some footage (copies, obviously) from early 1963; there is some interview footage from some regional TV stations, and there's a clip of a lip-synched Twist and Shout, which I think is Granada TV from mid-63. I'll put a listing of what they are on here tomorrow.
Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Sept 9, 2008 10:14:15 GMT
Actually, found out already! The Twist and Shout clip is August 63, Scene at 6.30; there is some Floral Hall Southport silent footage, and some footage from Yarmouth (Great Yarmouth, methinks) from Spring 1963, I'll check tonight to see exactly what it is.
Yes, a lot of that very early stuff would be good to see again! Apart from this though, the most desirable recoveries for me personally (apart from the TOTP stuff) would be maybe the '65 edition of Thank Your Lucky Stars where they mimed to Eight Days A Week and Yes It Is (as no visual representation exists for either of these songs of any kind) and maybe some footage (with sound) of their December '65 and Autumn '64 UK tours (when We Can Work It Out and I Should Have Known Better / I'm Happy Just To Dance With You were played respectively; live versions of any of these briefly performed numbers seem not to exist at all).
Having said that, ANY Beatles recovery is great news as far as i'm concerned!
Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Sept 9, 2008 15:55:30 GMT
My list would take up several posts! I was pleased to see (slightly o/t) the release of the Washington concert in 64, and the Ed Sullivan shows on LEGAL DVD. RSG's would also be great too, plus Juke Box Jury with all 4, and also Harrison solo too. Any tour footage, of course would be welcome too. Solo stuff is of a big interest to me too.... I am positive there's a lot more out there....even stuff such as outtakes (from the Beatles films), rehearsals (Ed Sullivan rehearsals exist, apparantly....) and hard to find or discarded promos....apologies for my meandering here.
I'm with you guys - for me its absolutely anything and everything - hell I even got excited recently when I found a 1984 BBC2 promo advertising Yellow Submarine on an old video tape. I pretty much missed most of the fabs original tv appearances but one show I always liked was The Early Beatles which Granada produced in the early 80s, I think I caught mine on a late night repeat on Tyne Tees in 1985 and has some great performances of Twist and Shout, I Want to Hold your Hand and This Boy as well as an interview alongside Ken Dodd and stuff which turned up on the first U.S. visit DVD much later.
For me, I'd like to see the London Paladium shows and of course Juke Box Jury featuring The Boys, theres also Johns Parkinson interview (which we all discussed elsewhere - but any Beatle material is good).
I'm amazed Granada have never released "The Music Of Lennon and McCartney" on DVD, though I expect this is rights issues, but it would make a great DVD with news items and other early performances as extras or even "The Early Beatles" paired with it. I've only ever owned the final 15 minutes of "The Music Of Lennon and MCCartney" as it went out the same time as "The Complete Beatles" on BBC2 in 1984 so had to do a quick switch over to Channel 4 aftyer the Yellow Submarine Promo ended! Such is life!
Post by Richard Hunter on Sept 9, 2008 18:01:13 GMT
I share Jeff Lewis's concerns.
If the person concerned passes away and doesn't tell anyone of what they have the material could either be destroyed or left lying around for years on end until someone stumbles across the material and decides to find out what's on it.
A lot of Beatles TV/concert material I have picked up over the years was through E Bay in the days when they weren't too fussed as to whether what was being sold was strictly legal or not. Thank heavens I bought them when I did.
The other thing that annoys me is how difficult it is to purchase Beatles TV/Concert material legitimately after all we are only talking about the most famous pop group in the world !
Anthology did right a lot of wrongs but there is still an official Beatles DVD compilation crying out to be released which hasn't surfaced yet.
The missing Beatles performance I find most baffling was on October 14th 1964 - Scene at 6:30 where the group mimed to 'I Should Have Known Better'. At this time the Beatles were as big as they were ever going to get. They had conquered the world at the beginning of the year and recently released a smash hit movie. So surely returning to their spiritual home in the North-West to perform on Granada Television must have been a huge deal. So why would they wipe it?