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Post by Adrian Gregg on Sept 4, 2008 14:05:08 GMT
Yeh I can never Understand why people always go on about the 66 edd.. we have the Colour and B&W promos.. and hell they were on TOTPs dozens of time b4!!! no one seems to want them
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Sept 4, 2008 14:46:18 GMT
Actually, the collectors market for the Paperback Writer and Rain promos (Intertel clips) is very high. The reason for the interest in these TOTP appearances, particularly, stems from the fact that that a) they are missing clips of the Beatles, b) they are the only non-pre-recorded appearances of them, and c) the interest in 'mid and 'later' period Beatles (i.e from 'Rubber Soul' onwards is higher). Missing footage of the Beatles - even solo - is of great demand.
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Post by Rich Cornock on Sept 4, 2008 17:15:19 GMT
one could assume that when producing the anthology that the quality of the clips used was of secondary importance as the whole series would sell any where in the world without having to spend any time or effort restoring footage. It also gives the Apple the option of repackaging and reselling the whole lot again in the future as a new 'deluxe' version or something of the like. I'm sure this will happen at say the 20th anniversary or similar as it does with other DVDs and Cd's. Adding unused footage such as their TOPT performance and marketing as an expanded DVD would also add to its sales, so this may not be the last we here of this clip
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2008 17:32:38 GMT
Well, it was was sort of bizarre with the Anthology series. On the one hand they were at pains to do something state of the art (for the time) such as colourise All You Need Is Love and then shoot themselves in the foot by using substandard copies of Penny Lane, Day Tripper etc!
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Post by Rich Cornock on Sept 4, 2008 18:15:32 GMT
agreed. my guess was the colourise of All You Need is Love was to give them something to show off when marketing the series, something new and at the time state of the art. All the other material seems to have been neglected maybe as the tv stations would buy the series regardless.
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Post by Peter Elliott on Sept 4, 2008 18:45:06 GMT
Granted, "Anthology" was a mixed bag when it came to the archive footage and sources. It wasn't till the VHS release we were able to see some of the better moments in all their glory... the colour promo films for "Paperback Writer", "Rain" and "Strawberry Fields" looked stunningly pristine as did the Shea Stadium footage, but "Penny Lane" looked rather poor and I fail to understand why better footage of that was not available or used. Another baffling decision was the scratchy b+w Ed Sullivan intro to "Hello Goodbye" which exists in pristine colour VT form. That made absolutely no sense at all.
The Record Collector interview mentioned here I recall was with Bob Smeaton who indeed mentioned they looked at a TOTP show but didn't mention which one. You also have to remember that the 1965 InterTel promo clips have been regularly passed off as TOTP clips and TOTP did indeed show several of those across the 1965 and 1966 Christmas specials, so whilst Apple certainly seem to have a lost TOTP in their archive, it's frustrating we don't know for certain which edition it actually is.
Smeaton also talked a little about the colourising and that somebody proposed they coloured the 1962 Cavern footage. Wisely that idea was abandoned and whilst the coloured "All You Need Is Love" clip was technically impressive for the mid 90's, looking at it now I dislike it and think it looks too fake. Thats not Apple's fault since I guess they used the best of what was available back then but it could definitely look much better if done now.
Had a team like the Doctor Who Restoration Team been involved with what they have today, "Anthology" would look so much better. Those "Big Night Out" clips would had greatly benefitted from VidFire and the 1964 appearance on that show given a major clean up both visually and audio wise.
I just don't understand why Apple are releasing what I regard as a pointless DVD devoted to the Cirque De Soleil Vegas show, but not a single or double DVD set featuring all the promos and best TV clips as a greatest hits type package, neatly cleaned up and restored. Then of course theres the never ending saga of the "Let It Be" movie which apparently Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr are intent on keeping on the shelf because they don't like it and think it portrays The Beatles in a poor light. That is truly absurd... no it doesn't make happy viewing but millions have seen it, many have boots of it, so why not just simply clean up and put it out since it's guaranteed to sell anyway? It is absurd that Starr and Macca wish to rewrite history and pretend "Let It Be" never happened just to maintain the nonsensical "love and peace" image they keep spewing upon us. If I see Ringo do that d**n "peace" sign again, I could scream!
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Post by Jeff Lewis on Sept 4, 2008 19:14:04 GMT
I once heard that Ringo was concidered to the beats "archivist" and from bits and pieces ive read. He had a MASSIVE film and video tape library, he had virtually every VT/TR that the beatles had done/ Had a massive memorabilia collection too. He was well aware of the importance that the TV spots would have in the future. Knew they could be considered his "retirement". and had em very very carefully looked after (and if any damage was seen on any film print he'd have a Film copy made and still keep the original film (in a deep freeze apparently) clever man. he had been given most of the other Beatles's film and video's as well as 10000's feet of home movies. The Lot was destroyed in 1979 (was it 79?) . The ONLY yep the ONLY reason that Apple still had enough material to make the Anthogy was that in 70 a film "the Long And Winding Road" was in Preproduction and was finished but never screened this doco held most of the material used in the anthology. and of course private archives and TV stations arpund the world helped fill it out a bit.. Ringo went to Apple to replace lost footage following the fire and had his request turned down. McCartney suffered the same fate when he requested the Washington Colliseum concert and had to buy a copy from a fan. Which all seems very strange. During the time when the McCartney fan club magazine was still available to members he made a request for Beatles footage so it could be included in the anthology. Which again questions what Apple actually has now of non-broadcast quality. In one of it's last editions the magazine made a specific request for Wings' appearence on Top of the Pops performing 'Junior's Farm'. Unfortunatly when Linda passed away the magazine was wound up however a brief but not particularly good quality copy did appear in the documentary 'Wingspan'
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Sept 5, 2008 7:32:46 GMT
Junior's Farm on TOTP '74 is now on the McCartney Years. What you say is interesting, Jeff. If Junior's Farm was picked off via the public, was this from a Missing Episode?
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Post by John Fleming on Sept 5, 2008 8:36:12 GMT
Any Wings performance is from a missing episode, in this case 14/11/74, as none of their performances survive. The only surviving episodes featuring Wings are promo videos, from "Let Em In" onwards.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2008 10:12:07 GMT
I think the Junior's Farm performance was a TOTP insert (I don't have the info here in front of me but I seem to recall it was when researching the show) so it's possible that the insert reel survives separately from - and in addition to - the whole edition. I remember watching the performance at the time and it wasn't in the regular TOTP studio with audience etc. even though it was staged to mimic a group performance.
Interesting that an appeal was put out in the magazine for specifically that clip whereas i'd have thought that there were others missing that stand out as being equally desirable (e.g. the '73 appearance for My Love, which was a genuine TOTP studio apearance).
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Sept 5, 2008 10:39:34 GMT
There is a promo video, shot by Mick Rock (famous for his photos of Bowie and Mercury) for My Love on the 'McCartney Years', that's probably why there was no request. Rock also directed some Bowie promos, including 'John, I'm Only Dancing'. Junior's Farm doesn't have any audience on it, although didn't Wings appear on David Essex's 'Gonna Make You A Star' NOT, as sometimes mooted as the backing band, but verbalizing 'I Don't Think So', rather like Mud did? This is missing too, right. Stills from 'My Love' TOTP exist, I think.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2008 11:51:17 GMT
didn't Wings appear on David Essex's 'Gonna Make You A Star' NOT, as sometimes mooted as the backing band, but verbalizing 'I Don't Think So', rather like Mud did? This is missing too, right. Yes, I recall them doing this. It was just the one shot, covering that line, I think. It made them appear as if part of the overall TOTP, although it was, again, an insert that was dropped in.
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Post by Rich Cornock on Sept 5, 2008 17:01:18 GMT
we cant be certain that Apple have a whole TOTP show, its quite possible they just have the Beatles clip from it
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Post by Jeff Lewis on Sept 5, 2008 17:10:17 GMT
There is a promo video, shot by Mick Rock (famous for his photos of Bowie and Mercury) for My Love on the 'McCartney Years', that's probably why there was no request. Rock also directed some Bowie promos, including 'John, I'm Only Dancing'. Junior's Farm doesn't have any audience on it, although didn't Wings appear on David Essex's 'Gonna Make You A Star' NOT, as sometimes mooted as the backing band, but verbalizing 'I Don't Think So', rather like Mud did? This is missing too, right. Stills from 'My Love' TOTP exist, I think. I've found the Paul McCartney's Club Sandwich I was referring to edition No.84. In reference to a fan enquiry about whether the 'My Love' Top of the Pops clips still existed, which of course it doesn't, the answer made a specific request about 'Junior's Farm'. In edition No.85 a "What Do We Want" advert was placed. This excluded all MPL material but included movie either socially or in concert then intrigingly television performances, appearences and interviews. The reason given was "MPL Comunications wants to extend it's archive of material relating to Paul, Linda McCartney and Wings for the post-Beatle/Wings period 1969 to 1981". I think we can conclude from this that the McCartney's did not keep a copy of non-MPL work throughout their career.
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Post by Richard Hunter on Sept 8, 2008 18:11:59 GMT
I E-mailed Keith Badman on the subject of the famous June 1966 edition of TOTP the other day.
Below is Keith's reply which he has kindly allowed me to quote
Hi Richard, Thank you very much for your message. My best account of The Beatles' legendary 1966 TOTP appearance was published in The Beatles Book Monthly in, I believe 1997. The article told of when a film collector at a London film fair informed me a friend of his who, through his shop, had purchased from a son of a BBC employee, several reels of telerecorded films. Amongst them were three missing TOTP shows, one of which was the June 16, 1966 edition featuring The Beatles. I was given his number and spoke to him directly. He confirmed the tale. He had put the three shows up for sale in his shop and they quickly sold. I placed several adverts in the local papers asking the collector who purchased the films show to contact me but alas he did not and that's where my story ends.
In summary, I have always believed (and now know for sure after viewing recently some exceedingly rare Beatles footage ) that there are many collectors out there who keep their rare items untraded and such was the case with this chap.
I hope this helps.
Keith Badman (08/09/08)
So it appears 3 missing TOTP shows are out there somewhere. I just hope they still exist and haven't been destroyed. One can only speculate as to where they are now.
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