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Post by John Fleming on May 21, 2008 7:21:16 GMT
Oops, I shouldn't have used the present tense, I knew what I meant but no reason why anyone else should have. If this is true heads should have rolled in 1978. The people responsible who were junking TOTP as late as 1977, 10 years after it should allegedly have stopped, should have been prevented from ever working in television again.
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Post by Greg H on May 21, 2008 7:27:24 GMT
There may be no truth in this but I heard that an edict came down from higher echelons of the BBC in 1967 that TOTP was of great importance and should not be junked. If that really is the case then heads should roll. Can anyone confirm this? |
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Post by David Barron on May 21, 2008 11:29:41 GMT
My attitude is that all TV companies should keep everything, no matter what it is. The idea that anything should be wiped now, because it has no interest now is an act of folly that one day might come back and bite us. Also what would be considered the cream, that is one area where everybody has different ideas.
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Post by Andy Howells on May 21, 2008 11:51:37 GMT
So do the BBC record as they broadcast? For example, all continuity, news bulletins, edited programmes etc
There must be a heck of a lot of administration involved, I find it exhausting enough recording and cataloging my archive shows off skyplus, let alone anything I recorded on video donkeys years ago LOL
And is it also done regionally? Where does it all go and whats it all stored on? I'd love to see what goes on in the archive as I imagine its interesting work but I also imagine it can be very tiring to catalogue everything...
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Post by Andrew Martin on May 21, 2008 12:03:19 GMT
The BBC has to record everything for legal reasons (Ofcom) in case of complaints, but these are very low quality - still currently on VHS! - and are not kept long term. There is no systematic recording of the network output as an archival resource in itself, though examples of trails are selected and kept.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2008 13:15:12 GMT
My attitude is that all TV companies should keep everything, no matter what it is. The idea that anything should be wiped now, because it has no interest now is an act of folly that one day might come back and bite us. Also what would be considered the cream, that is one area where everybody has different ideas. Ideally, that's always been my view too, David. Taking practical considerations into account though (i.e. funding, as ultimately it's the level of funding from government / arts bodies that really decides the issue rather than just the BBC - if we're talking about licence-funded broadcasting, that is), a better, far more rounded and representative range of material COULD still have been kept within the funds available, if there was better organisation and thought put into it. The old "selection process" of the past was highly suspect, blinkered and narrow in it's range and elitist in it's definition of "important" (as was the BFI's "archiving" of TV). |
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Post by markboulton on May 21, 2008 16:10:20 GMT
The BBC has to record everything for legal reasons (Ofcom) in case of complaints, but these are very low quality - still currently on VHS! - and are not kept long term. There is no systematic recording of the network output as an archival resource in itself, though examples of trails are selected and kept. Recording continuity in its entirity shouldn't really be necessary - I would have thought it not beyond the wit of man for the automation computer to save its event list and where an event's source is NOT a recording, save the output to perhaps a domestic-grade MPEG2/4 file and tag it with the event code. Then, if any particular trailer/promo (as often happens) is played 25 times in one day, it's not RECORDED 25 times, but appears 25 times in the event list. In that way, as long as all ingested event material still existed at a future time (including clips recorded at broadcast), the event list could be called up and used to cue each item in the same sequence as it was transmitted. As a failsafe if any line routing was found to be faulty or in a manually-operated mode due to some fault, the automation system could fall back into 'live recording' mode to capture, for instance, someone's microphone being faded up when it shouldn't, (e.g. someone being rushed into the news studio for a newsflash, news studio not cut in in-vision but accidentally in audio, as happened with the first episode of [The Return Of] Doctor Who). |
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Post by Peter Elliott on May 21, 2008 16:25:02 GMT
Recording continuity in its entirity shouldn't really be necessary I agree. Almost every vintage Doctor Who DVD these days have continuity material on them and to be honest, they bore me and are a waste of time and space. An occasional example, fair enough, to give a flavour of the times but on virtually every DVD it's gotten tiresome and tedious though of course many fanatical Who fans play up on the rare occasions they're not included. There's only so many times once can sit through the spinning BBC globe just to hear standard "And now... part 2 of blahblahblah Doctor Who", or ""And now, Doctor Who meets up with some old enemies..." not to mention the "Next week, Doctor Who will be facing a new adventure..." It's overkill in my view. On the VHS releases you didn't get any of that until "The War Machines" where it made a nice surprise and change... a nice example but to be swamped with continuities for repeats as well original broadcasts... at least I don;t have to sit through them! |
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