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Post by Richard Bignell on Apr 29, 2008 14:23:35 GMT
Yes, it is quite an interesting bit of information. I would be quite interested to know what your research was! Get the latest issue of TSV and I'm sure you can find out! nzdwfc.tetrap.com/Richard
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Post by Greg H on Apr 29, 2008 14:53:31 GMT
Oh, cheers for that. I will look into it. Taa
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Post by Steven Sigel on May 1, 2008 4:02:44 GMT
Another quick clarification -- people keep saying that the viewing prints were "low quality" -- I don't think this is the case. My understanding (at least from US prints) is that in the 50s and 60s, they needed prints with (for lack of a better word) lighter contrast to broadcast on television. But in doing this, the prints looked all washed out when screened on a normal film projector. So - if a print was needed for someone to screen (as a print) they would strike a normal contrast print - or a viewing print.
Today, the telecine equipment is far more sophisticated, and they can broadcast anything -- no need for special prints -- so, if one of these viewing prints were to be located, I don't think that you'd notice any quality difference at all on a DVD release between that and a broadcast print.
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Post by John Andersen on May 1, 2008 16:59:58 GMT
Another quick clarification -- people keep saying that the viewing prints were "low quality" -- I don't think this is the case. Hell, some lost episodes that have very low quality would be greatly appeciated if they were returned to the BBC.
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Post by Greg H on May 1, 2008 17:44:47 GMT
Yeah im not too fussed about perfect quality really. Things can be cleaned up and polished a bit anyway.
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Post by William Martin on May 2, 2008 15:09:36 GMT
Another quick clarification -- people keep saying that the viewing prints were "low quality" -- I don't think this is the case. My understanding (at least from US prints) is that in the 50s and 60s, they needed prints with (for lack of a better word) lighter contrast to broadcast on television. But in doing this, the prints looked all washed out when screened on a normal film projector. So - if a print was needed for someone to screen (as a print) they would strike a normal contrast print - or a viewing print. Today, the telecine equipment is far more sophisticated, and they can broadcast anything -- no need for special prints -- so, if one of these viewing prints were to be located, I don't think that you'd notice any quality difference at all on a DVD release between that and a broadcast print. yes agree totaly, prints for TR are washed out on a big screen and that includes things like the Prisoner which I have seen on a big screen and they are very pale
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Post by Daniel O'Brien on May 3, 2008 8:58:33 GMT
Broadcast prints or viewing prints, anything would be good. It's not like we have the luxury of choice.
If 'Mission to the Unknown' was screened in Singapore, I wonder what viewers made of this bleak, Doctor-less story that ended with the villains triumphant.
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Post by Greg H on May 4, 2008 5:26:11 GMT
It is an interesting bit of info. I wonder if theres any evidence that they recieved the daleks masterplan as well? It would be somewhat unusual if they just recieved the dalek cutaway rather than the whole thing. Of course it doesnt mean that the prints are still kicking about in Singapore, but regardless its a starting place to look and interesting research.
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Post by Daniel O'Brien on May 4, 2008 9:19:20 GMT
It is an interesting bit of info. I wonder if theres any evidence that they recieved the daleks masterplan as well? It would be somewhat unusual if they just recieved the dalek cutaway rather than the whole thing. Of course it doesnt mean that the prints are still kicking about in Singapore, but regardless its a starting place to look and interesting research. I don't think there's any firm evidence that 'Mission' was screened in Singapore, just a possibility that it could have been. I agree that it would be unusual to show the first episode of a story and not the remainder, but mistakes do happen. IIRC, no missing 'Who' material has been recovered from Singapore. It's highly unlikely that there's anything still lurking at the back of a film vault.
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Post by Adrian Gregg on May 4, 2008 9:58:23 GMT
Thanks for quoting pretty much verbatim one4 of my posts StevenS. but have you ever seen UK viewing prints i mean in person on a TC rig? ..
the point is most viewing prints are KNACKERD.. !!! you dont seem to grasp what a "vierwing print" was used for?
it was for interal use and for program reserch etc.. some of them ive gone though have most of the emultion scraped off with playbacks..
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Post by Richard Bignell on May 4, 2008 10:15:44 GMT
Thanks for quoting pretty much verbatim one4 of my posts StevenS. the point is most viewing prints are KNACKERD.. !!! you dont seem to grasp what a "vierwing print" was used for? Given that Steven is a huge film collector and has the biggest private collection of DW telerecordings in the world, I'd hazard a guess that you may be wrong on that one... Richard
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Post by Stuart Douglas on May 5, 2008 8:51:50 GMT
Thanks for quoting pretty much verbatim one4 of my posts StevenS. the point is most viewing prints are KNACKERD.. !!! you dont seem to grasp what a "vierwing print" was used for? Given that Steven is a huge film collector and has the biggest private collection of DW telerecordings in the world, I'd hazard a guess that you may be wrong on that one... Richard And also there's no need for the defensiveness and aggression which seems to be a feature of your posts in general. Good faith should be assumed whenever possible, so please do try to remain polite and not make unfounded accusations against other posters. Stuart
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Post by Steven Sigel on May 5, 2008 16:20:09 GMT
Thanks for quoting pretty much verbatim one4 of my posts StevenS. the point is most viewing prints are KNACKERD.. !!! you dont seem to grasp what a "vierwing print" was used for? Given that Steven is a huge film collector and has the biggest private collection of DW telerecordings in the world, I'd hazard a guess that you may be wrong on that one... Richard Cheers Richard! Ade: you seem to be confusing the condition of individual prints, with the quality of the prints as struck. I have a number of viewing prints of Dr. Who that are in mint condition (as well as broadcast prints) -- in all cases, there is no quality difference, just a contrast balance difference. So with respect - you are wrong.
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Post by Jon Preddle on May 6, 2008 3:19:44 GMT
Another quick clarification -- people keep saying that the viewing prints were "low quality" -- I don't think this is the case. Ooops, I appear to be guilty of this - see my earlier post. It was the New Zealand TV Viewing Committee who often rejected film prints for being poor quality, and usually had to source a better print from somewhere else, hence my use of the term 'viewing print'. Jon
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Post by Adrian Gregg on May 6, 2008 8:23:07 GMT
opps sorry I diddn't mean to be so rude!!
It's just that some times on this board i see the same opions that myself and others seem to regurgitate at radom intervals!!
Ok i thought ( and from the viewing prints ive got and have run) that viewing prints were just that. to be viewed with an option to use the "flat print" if necceasry. Where i worked the viewing prints were NEVER to be bdcast they were copys from the negs or pos that we had at the time. program Recerchers and interested parties could lace up a viewing print but were never alowed to see the Neg/Pos. if they were required for say a doco we would let em make notes from the viewing print and then copy onto VT selected bits from the "good stuff" of course most of the time the stuff would be on U-matic, but sometimes more often than not the plebs would get thier Gressy hands on a print and effectivly ruin it for good. of course all the viewing prints we had were high contrast they never (sometimes by mistake) made a flat print. Ok so tell me this ! what did the beeb term viwing prints? were they for bdcast?!? we always refered to the viewing print as the poor cousin of the Neg/Pos.
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