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Post by Chris Gilbert on Aug 13, 2007 13:11:22 GMT
Yep, DMP2 was some of the best Hartnell I had ever seen. It certainly lived up to any hype I had heard about the daleks masterplan. Oooooh for another buzz like that Yes it certainly did live upto the hype and caused the DMP to become my favourite Hartnell. I like the Hartnell era slightly more than the Troughton era (mainly I find Troughtons companions less likeable i think) however it would be better if some Troughton turned up as it has been 15 years since Tomb was returned. Although I would be ecstatic if a certain Hartnell 1964 seven parter set in Cathay turned up instead!
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Post by Greg H on Aug 13, 2007 20:55:36 GMT
Strangely, im not half as fussed about the 7 parter you mention as some of the later stuff. I have no doubt it would have been a superb story, but Hartnell is pretty well represented in the scheme of things, with nearly 2 complete seasons. Other than DMP, I would like to see the smugglers, its always struck me as a fun story. Conversely, Troughton has only one complete story from his first 2 seasons, so hes quite under represented. Obvious stats I know! I would be overjoyed to see anything come back to the archive, but I would definitely love to see some more classic Troughton, especially from his second season as this seems to be arguably the high point of his tenure as the doctor.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2007 22:58:28 GMT
yes i would like that to here is what Zambia bought which is missing. Marco Polo 1-7 The Reign of Terror 4,5 The Crusade 2,4 Galaxy 4 1-4 The Myth Makers 1-4 The Massacre 1-4 The Celestial Toymaker 1,2,3 The Savages 1-4 The Smugglers 1-4 The Highlanders 1-4 The Underwater Menace 1,2,4 The Moonbase -1,3 The Macra Terror 1-4 The Faceless Ones - 2,4,5,6 The Abominable Snowmen 1,3,4,5,6 The Ice Warriors 2,3 The Enemy of the World 1,2,4,5,6, The Web of Fear - 2-6 The Space Pirates 1,3,4,5,6
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Post by Tom Spychalski on Aug 14, 2007 14:53:07 GMT
Out of that list, knowing that we will not get all those back (If anything at all...), the ones listed below are my top choices for recovery. A foolish game at best, but still fun.
Marco Polo 1-7 The Celestial Toymaker 1,2,3 The Faceless Ones - 2,4,5,6 The Enemy of the World 1,2,4,5,6, The Web of Fear - 2-6
Of course any find would be nice, but I'd love to see the ones above.
I also admit a certain curiosity about the Smugglers, having never seen the recon, and i never did own that Target in the eighties.
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Post by Greg H on Aug 14, 2007 15:22:17 GMT
Celestial toymaker is one of those stories that kinda polarises people. Episode 4 is pretty cool, I listened to the audio for the other episodes and had mixed feelings about it. Id really have to check it out (lol) to make my mind up. I would recomend getting the audio for the smugglers, it works fairly well without the visuals. Theres probably an official BBC release, but if thats been deleted it will be floating around online somewhere (definitely). Wouldnt it be amazing if the African archives had accidentally hung onto everything they were ever sent....................... *drools*
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Post by William Martin on Aug 14, 2007 16:20:53 GMT
have zambia ever returned anything in the past (post 1977). shame they didn't get evil of the daleks.
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Post by Greg H on Aug 14, 2007 16:26:48 GMT
I dont think they got power either, which is a shame. I think Australia and new zealand are perhaps the best 16mm hopes for Troughton daleks. Who knows though really. A home recording could even turn up some of them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2007 16:35:47 GMT
The simple answer to that is we don't know if they returned anything.
Considering their is approximately 5000-10000 boxes of prints. down their all foreign their is 16 years worth of tele down their. if they repeated 1 in 4 shows.
we know they are not Zambian shows as all the local shows are in the national archive.
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Post by Doug Wulf on Aug 14, 2007 18:34:39 GMT
The simple answer to that is we don't know if they returned anything. Considering their is approximately 5000-10000 prints down their all foreign their is 16 years worth of tele down their. if they repeated 1 in 4 shows. we know they are not Zambian shows as all the local shows are in the national archive. Your last statement is not correct. All of the ZNBC 16mm prints could be Zambian TV or African TV or whatever. It is not known what is there. It is also not known what is held in the National Archive. The basic point is that no one may yet know exactly what is in either archive or in any other archives in Zambia or other African countries of interest. It needs to be checked. The substance of my original post is that Zambia was sent lots of Doctor Who episodes (according to the Molesworth list) and other BBC shows on 16mm prints in the 1970s. Zambia also seems to have in the ZNBC archives and maybe in the National Archives and elsewhere a surprisingly vast number of old 16mm prints decaying away that no one has looked at for years and years in any careful way (according to the 2003 FIAT report). So, all this deserves a look. It seems that it is all being checked out now to the extent that this is possible. Maybe something will be found somewhere, but it might be in some other location than at ZNBC for all we know. Personally, I hope Uganda is investigated also. I found a quote on a website that describes a Ugandan TV archive as having amassed tons of films but that it is understaffed and disorganized. That's just the sort of place that missing Doctor Who prints could sit on a shelf for decades before being rediscovered. Sierra Leone is intriguing, but that country had a long civil war and is still in a bad way. Ethiopia may be the most promising place to find the lost episodes of 'Marco Polo', 'The Crusade', and 'Reign of Terror'. It may have been the last place on earth these episodes were broadcast. Episodes were returned from Nigeria. There could be more in Nigeria also. There is also a chance that some archive material might have been sent to South Africa. That was mentioned in the FIAT report.
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Post by Doug Wulf on Aug 14, 2007 18:36:38 GMT
The FIAT report states 5000-10000 boxes. I'm not sure if that means 5000-10000 prints. Would there be one print in one box?
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Post by Doug Wulf on Aug 14, 2007 18:54:43 GMT
In various archive audits and clean ups at the BBC, missing Doctor Who footage has turned up. For example, the trailer for Power of the Daleks was found as well as film trims from Fury from the Deep.
Many missing episodes of Doctor Who (and certainly missing episodes of other BBC shows) were sent to African nations. These were among the last places on earth that missing episodes were sold overseas. Even if nothing is officially supposed to be there, it is possible missing films are there still anyway.
Many of these African archives seem to be places that are understaffed, underfunded, and in need of an audit and reorganization. There seems to be a certain level of chaos and disorder even in the most efficiently run archive in which prints may be in the wrong cans or misfiled. The level of chaos and disorder is apparently much higher in African archives. The descriptions are of vast numbers of films that no one has had any ability to deal with for decades.
Zambia is of particular interest because that nation received more missing episodes than any other single nation and there is a description online of at least one archive in that country that has large numbers of 16mm prints. However, it could be that Zambia bicycled its prints to other nations in Africa, for example.
It just seems to me that one side effect of assisting certain African nations with huge archive audits and clean ups and reorganizations could be that missing BBC material (perhaps even a great deal of missing BBC material) might be located. It is worth a try, especially if an effort could be implemented by FIAT and somehow independently funded.
The funding issue still has me wondering a bit. It is mentioned so often by so many people involved. I hope that has already been solved.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2007 20:25:23 GMT
With troughton daleks stories the only known purchasers are as follows. Power of the daleks New Zealand Australia Singapore
Evil of the daleks New Zealand Hong Kong Singapore Australia
But their is a chance but an extermly small hope that any other nation might bought them. Of course they could have been saved at Enterprises and be in a ex employees or collectors possession.
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Post by johnstewart on Aug 14, 2007 20:45:42 GMT
I'm sure Ian Levine was in contact with an Archive in North Africa at one point which had purchased 'Power of the Daleks'?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2007 22:03:39 GMT
Nope thats just a untrue rumor.
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Post by Ash Stewart on Aug 15, 2007 10:43:45 GMT
I'm sure Ian Levine was in contact with an Archive in North Africa at one point which had purchased 'Power of the Daleks'? You're probably thinking here of the Ghana rumour; which has no basis in truth.
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