dubs come bus spotter
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Post by dubs come bus spotter on Jul 19, 2003 1:01:56 GMT
Isn't it wonderful when 2 hobbies confluence: www.busstation.netEastern National Bristol Lodekka FLF6LX/Eastern Coachworks were used. "The regular FLF6LXs were 2917 (AEV811F) and 2930 (AVW399F), with 2885 (WNO973F) and 2911 (WWC741F) also used - I do know that Brentwood depot drivers and Inspectors used to get paid as extras to be in the background, and I recall one inspector (George) saying he'd taken 2743 (EOO585) on more than one occasion." A studio mock-up was also used: "YDU265D (fleet no 2552) was a mock-up of the front of a Bristol FLF built by Eastern National using parts supplied by Eastern Coach Works. Bob Palmer notes "the fleet number plates (2552) made up by Eastern National for the studio mock-up FLF still exist!" It was used for studio filming."(all the above from Chris Stewart). David Ballantyne reports the use of ex-London Transport Leyland PD2 RTL1557 (OLD666), which was burnt - Steve Floyd notes "RTL 1557 (OLD666) was reported as being burnt. This happened in the season 6 episode 1 (20 February 1972 I think} called 'No Smoke without Fire'. The episode closed with Stan taking out '666' because there was no other bus available - after having been trained on fire extinguishers - but a fire started on the bus (whether accidentally or not I can't remember). Their efforts to put the fire out were unsuccessful and Jack dropped the fire extinguisher out the back of the bus as it travelled along a country lane. Stan drove into a field, as smoke billowed out the back of the bus. Blakey was rescued from the top deck by being assisted out the emergency window. There were several aerial shots showing the fire taking hold, and the resultant destruction - the last shot showed the upper deck completely gutted. I was surprised that the bus was completely destroyed - presumably it was bought for that purpose. But Stan's job was saved because Luxton & District got more than the bus was worth on the insurance!" The film has: On the Buses (1972, Reg Varney) The red liveried 'Town and District' fleet comprises a number of Eastern National Bristol KSW5G/Eastern Coachworks: 2359(VNO857 - fleet number 7143 visible in the film), 2367 (VNO871), 2371 (VNO876), 2615 (WNO476), VNO862, VNO866 (thanks Steven Oliver, Stephen Osman and Vic Gackowski) "According to the PSV Circle fleet history, Eastern National Bristol KSW5Gs 2359 (VNO857), 2367 (VNO871) and 2371 (VNO876) were all used in 'On the Buses' some time between Feb and June 1971, were resold and then bought back in Feb 1972 to use in 'Mutiny on the Buses'. One (or possibly two) I believe went to the USA, and I also think I'm right in saying 2359 is preserved in the UK. The bus depot used in the 'On the Buses' film may be Grays (London Country)." (thanks Chris Stewart) In the film VNO857 demolishes a telephone box and a bus stop while on service 13. There is a scene at London Transport's Chiswick works featuring what I believe is AEC Routemaster/Park Royal RM280 (VLT280)(it's also been reported as RM200) with WH depot plate on the skidpan - this may be a contradiction of the report of RM200. In the background during this scene are a number of other London Transport buses, including RTs, RMs, a pair of RFs and an SM. In the final scene a London Country AEC Regal RF passes, but before that Graeme Selway gleefully notes that "Stan is seen driving WNO 476 in the garage towards the front entrance, but when it emerges on to the forecourt, it's magically become VNO 857!" Pedanticley S
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Post by Matthew K Sharp on Jul 19, 2003 3:48:33 GMT
Ah, bless you Dubs. I think most of my attention whilst watching On The Buses recently was taken up watching number plates for continuity between film and studio work!
MKS
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Post by Andy Henderson on Jul 19, 2003 9:42:40 GMT
"Andy, I am astonished at your petty stupidity and naivety. That previous post was NOT from me, but thanks for having a spat and revealing my identity. Check with Mark B! He must be able to identify the culprit."
Tim, this strengthens my opinion that if you and everyone else shouldn't be using handles. I'm at failt because I should join and perghaps postings should be restricted to people who register.
"Re: See what transpires - Not exactly true. You have been known to bid in the last ten seconds too. I wouldn't normally have mentioned this, but now you've asked for it. And he does!"
lol - yes I do, but not for the reasons you suppose. There is no point in bidding on a film well before the end of auction, apart from placing a mark on an item, it just pushes the price up. From my experience, it is easy to get outbid by a tiny amount. I don't have the nerve to sit till these auctions close. A few days earlier, I set my maximum bid and post it with a tapping tool.
"How? The bidding on the item will increase no matter what name is used."
There might be (for example) three people who use this forum who want one print. If they knew that 'Reg Varney' was actually you, they might have been able to contact you and agree not to bid against you. This would keep the price down.
"If there is a collection of people who are contributing towards purchases, why not explain this on this site in advance? Now that really would push the price up.."
I agree, but I guess most of these have been spotted by peole and mentioned anyway, you're going to have little or no control that I guess.
"I seem to remember you mentioning on this very forum a while ago about people trying to claim some kind of dubious notoriety or fame from returns of missing material. Personally, I don't give a flying f*ck who's name is in the programme for MBW as long as the show is back at the NFTVA or the respective copyright holder's archive. It obviously matters to you though."
Tim, you've used more than one handle on this site, including your own and I've no idea why - it just doesn't make sense to me. My comment was made because I can't understand why you aren't consistent. After years of editing a mag and collecting films, I don't care where or how my name is mentioned. However, people do deserve recognition. You've make a presumption. Anyone who knows me well enough, would understand that what I do is done for the interest in the subject, not my personal gain.
" I don't need to resort to petty insults to prove some kind of sad point. You are a very accomplished missing-episodes hunter and I have a great deal of respect for your achievements, but you have just exposed yourself as a perpetrator of the kind of pathetic childish behaviour that taints the whole archival television scene."
You've stated your opinion and I think you've made a moral high ground assumption based on a very small amount of information. From my side of this, it seems to me that a guy who uses pen-names based on comedy characters and claims to have a secret club of enthusiasts is difficult to take seriously.
"This comment had nothing to do with me and you have just shown your true colours to all. I'm sure you will continue to think that I am C l Ippie and no amount of evidence is going to convince you that you haven't made an unfortunate faux pas, but remember that every insult you throw my way will be thrown at quite a few forum contributors too."
I'm beginning to wonder if you've taken on C I Ippie's persona given that last paragraph! ;-) Is your secrect society going to remain so? Do you have a name for your club? - can anyone join it? I might want to as I don't fancy bidding against it!!!
"Let's stop this bl-oody 'club' mentality and get on with the job in hand. I don't want to fall out Andy, but THINK before you post."
Lol - thanks for the advice, but do you think we might also see the real Tim Disney and not a comedy character in future ;-)
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Post by Tim D on Jul 19, 2003 13:06:40 GMT
Tim, this strengthens my opinion that if you and everyone else shouldn't be using handles. I'm at failt because I should join and perghaps postings should be restricted to people who register.
I agree with you on this point, but when did I last use a handle on this forum? I would happily confirm that Harold was used in the very early days to allow an anonymous 'try before you buy' and make sure the whole board wasn't inhabited by some of the scary types that can often frequent such places. You must have had the emails too :-) I was pleased to discover that it wasn't. I've used Tim D ever since that day (at least a year ago if not more) I even emailed you personally to confirm my true identity whilst using the Harold banner, so it couldn't have come as a great shock. There is no point in bidding on a film well before the end of auction, apart from placing a mark on an item, it just pushes the price up. So where's the difference there then? That's eaxctly what we do. We place our best bid, if we get it, we get it. If we don't, we don't. End of story. We don't lose sleep over it. You've stated your opinion and I think you've made a moral high ground assumption based on a very small amount of information. From my side of this, it seems to me that a guy who uses pen-names based on comedy characters and claims to have a secret club of enthusiasts is difficult to take seriously. And that's your opinion.This is where the confusion arises. Not everyone's bothered about being taken seriously. I can understand for someone like yourself that when it comes to writing magazines etc you need to build a reputation and track record to further your endeavours and all credit to you, but I personally have a much more casual approach and really just enjoy the hobby for what it is. I also like to have a bit of fun along the way too. As far as I know it's not yet a capital offence to use a pen-name on ebay You do it yourself, glass houses 'emitron' I feel you too may be a little guilty of moral high-ground on pen-names. Is your secrect society going to remain so? Do you have a name for your club? - can anyone join it? I might want to as I don't fancy bidding against it!!!
It's never been a secret, it's just evolved over a period of time, so that's why there's been no great fanfare to herald it's arrival. Any secrecy, if any, has arisen from members who wish to remain anonymous for their own personal reasons. I don't even know what they are...actually you're right, it gets more like the Masons every day. It's never been a club so it doesn't have a name. Reg is as good a name as any. Maybe he could become our hon sec.. lol There's nothing to stop anyone joining us and never has been, so yes Andy you are welcome, don't forget to bring your chequebook ;-) The existing membership has come from people who have networked with each other over the years and can be trusted to fulfill their financial commitments to the group as a whole. It's all very democratic you know :-) None of us invest major amounts of time into the group as we all have careers too. It's a kind of ad hoc thing. Anyone who is looking for a highly pro-active group of people who eat, sleep and breathe television day and night will be left wanting. do you think we might also see the real Tim Disney and not a comedy character in future ;-)Oh....not even Sid Sabbath? Shucks lol In summary, I think we'll end up agreeing to differ on pen-names. I think they're a bit of fun in a sometimes all too serious world. If they're used maliciously I'm right with you. I don't use one on here anyway and even if I did, that wouldn't make me any different to at least 50% of other users on this forum. Some of whom frequently answer their own questions..lol I also don't believe for one minute that there aren't other members of this forum collaborating on purchasing prints or sharing material that they would like to see. This comment is obviously in no way pointed at you Andy, but at least we send the stuff back to the archives. You and I both know our share of crazy hoarders...wasn't that a hit for The Osmonds? I'm sure some of the stuff we've picked up will be of interest for the ITV 50th anniversary celebrations at the NFT in the future. P.S We didn't buy Boyd Q.C from Derann's list, so the plot thickens. Right then, who's coming in on episodes 1-4 of The Daleks Masterplan. They're just cluttering up my shed, any takers?
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On The Buses locations
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Post by On The Buses locations on Jul 20, 2003 12:41:28 GMT
If anyone can wade through the above postings, then I just wanted to comment on the subject of On The Buses!
Someone was querying which locations were used for the depot in the series. The main one was Eastern Nationals' Wood Green depot (just around the corner from Wood Green tube station - don't know if it's still there though; haven't been through there in years). I remember standing at the bus stop outside with my mum during the time it was being used in the show, hoping for a famous face to turn up. They never did! Hope this helps.
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Post by Andy Henderson on Jul 21, 2003 18:08:48 GMT
Hello Tim,
Some replies!
As far as I know it's not yet a capital offence to use a pen-name on ebay You do it yourself, glass houses 'emitron' I feel you too may be a little guilty of moral high-ground on pen-names.
In the early days of e-bay, they encouraged a handle. Mine was chosen (after glacing at an old mag nearby) after my own name wasn't accepted!
It's never been a secret, it's just evolved over a period of time, so that's why there's been no great fanfare to herald it's arrival. Any secrecy, if any, has arisen from members who wish to remain anonymous for their own personal reasons. I don't even know what they are...actually you're right, it gets more like the Masons every day. It's never been a club so it doesn't have a name. Reg is as good a name as any. Maybe he could become our hon sec.. lol
But seriously - couldn't you explain what you are doing on this site and offer membership to anyone who wants to contribute. Otherwise a potential member might bid against you?
Oh....not even Sid Sabbath? Shucks lol
Is that Viz?!?
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Post by Tim D on Jul 22, 2003 16:43:33 GMT
That's a bit worrying about handles on ebay. I would hope that they've improved the security by now. <I>But seriously - couldn't you explain what you are doing on this site and offer membership to anyone who wants to contribute. Otherwise a potential member might bid against you? </I> It's a fair point and to be honest, the more help the better :-) The only thing I will stress beforehand is that we must be satisfied that any potential member will be able to fulfill their financial obligations in the event of a purchase. Remember your kneecaps may be at risk if you do not keep up repayments on a mortgage or any other loan secured on them! Use this email to make contact me-forum@uk2.net And please, no time wasters or pranksters...it has been known. Re: Sid Sabbath. He was played by Derren Nesbitt in the Dick Emery film 'Ooh You Are Awful'
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Post by Andy Henderson on Jul 23, 2003 21:21:40 GMT
Do you think you could put a declaration of principles listed on a new thread with identifies the aims, methods and approaches of a group purchase of film prints? I'm sure this would be of a great help to everyone.
Might also save you from a number of complex e-mails. Since you've had experience in the past, you could list the number of current members, the typical costs they would have to pay, the guarantee that their money will be bound safely by law of contract, a typical deadline for receiving a video copy of the print (which I would assume would be a provision), the agreement of the return of the film print and probably a signed form that the person involved will not pirate copies (leaving your idea and concept open to abuse).
This would make it fair to everyone who posts on this site and could bring the price down to a point in which it isn't much more expensive than buying a DVD.
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Post by Tim D on Jul 27, 2003 21:52:33 GMT
Yes, if anyone's got any questions. Just feel free to drop me a line at the address above.
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Post by William Martin on Aug 6, 2003 14:58:28 GMT
Derann films has this on it's current list.....! 1623 BOYD QC : Britain's answer to Perry Mason starring Michael Dennison as the Barrister who would stop at nothing in solving his case. Nostalgic T.V. show from the 1950's. Here is a lost episode entitled Inside Job. Excellent B/W print 800' (very rare) £89.99 800' doesn't sound long enough for a full episode unless its super8
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Post by Andy Henderson on Aug 6, 2003 22:20:39 GMT
One of the two Boyd QC's I own is about 22 mins and squeezed on to a 800ft reel
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Post by William Martin on Aug 11, 2003 16:35:05 GMT
must be thin film or a tight squeeze or both 800' of 16mm normaly only lasts about 16min still you always get a bit of extra space on a spool and the further from the centre you get the less diameter you need.
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Post by Steven Sigel on Aug 11, 2003 17:07:39 GMT
William -- 800 feet of 16mm film is about 22 minutes. Also - film stock thickness varies, so thinner stock (like newer mylar/estar based stocks) actually can fit far more than 800 feet on an 800 foot reel... Here's a running time chart ...
100 3 min 200 6 min 400 11 min 600 17 min 800 22 min 1000 28 min 1200 33 min 1400 39 min 1600 44 min 1800 50 min 2000 56 min
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Post by William Martin on Aug 15, 2003 15:05:44 GMT
why is 1000' only 28min when 100' is 3? thanks i'm more use to 35mm and 8mm i'm not quite as good on 16mm although super16 would have a different running time again, probably less.
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Post by john g on Aug 20, 2003 14:59:59 GMT
another consideration is that film made to run on the old telecines was usually 25fps and not the home projector standard of 24fps. So this would use more film.
Some people buying old TR prints and watching them on a projector have noticed that it is ever so slightly slurred . This is because it is only running at 24fps.
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