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Post by gk on May 24, 2006 6:13:48 GMT
yes,they were
one was Buckskin (14 episodes)-actually mentions in a book "not to bother looking for this because you won't find it"!!!
Also,the latest find is 3 episodes of an extremely rare show "Steve Donovan, Western Marshal,which for whatever reason was destroyed by the production company.The same of course applies to "Whispering Smith",Audie Murphy's only tv series,and only the pilot show exists for that.A show beset with problems from the kick-off,that one,including the suicide of one of the regular cast, mid filming.....
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Post by Steven Sigel on May 24, 2006 14:15:45 GMT
I think that when the book said "Don't bother trying to find it" - they didn't mean that the show was missing, but rather that it was out of circulation. As a general rule, most filmed US TV series (I'm not talking about live or kinescoped stuff) still exist.
Buckskin certainly is around -- I've seen 16mm film prints of it... I don't know much about the other shows you mentioned, so those might indeed be missing... Are you locating these on film or video?
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Post by Ron Merritt on May 24, 2006 16:13:47 GMT
Is there a good reference for what is missing in the US? I know most of ours is day time tv such as soap operas, news, sportsing events, talk shows, game shows and a few late night shows. I've looked around somewhat for a good source but not finding much about it. The only recoveries I've heard of are a couple of Honeymooners episodes, about 6000 tapes of Hollywood squares and a lot of silent movies recoveries.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2006 16:22:54 GMT
I've always wondered how the U.S. archives fare for such things as VT dramas and sitcoms, news broadcasts, pop shows, chat shows, light entertainment etc. (particularly with regard to the '60s and '70s). We mainly know about the widely circulated filmed stuff here in the U.K, which mainly exists anyway.
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Post by gk on May 24, 2006 19:41:06 GMT
I think that when the book said "Don't bother trying to find it" - they didn't mean that the show was missing, but rather that it was out of circulation. As a general rule, most filmed US TV series (I'm not talking about live or kinescoped stuff) still exist. Buckskin certainly is around -- I've seen 16mm film prints of it... I don't know much about the other shows you mentioned, so those might indeed be missing... Are you locating these on film or video? Buckskin was found on 16MM,(the book implied that it was a missing show at the time),as is virtually all of the stuff that turns up.I personally know one guy who has bought an awful lot of stuff over the years(at considerable personal expense),and he has 600 reels he hasn't so much as even looked at yet,so goodness only knows what will turn up there-we keep on at him to get on the case,but he does have a day job as well!!...Still,what he has catalogued so far is impressive enough for anybody. Steve Donovan and Whispering Smith are gone for good,it would appear..... |
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Post by gk on May 24, 2006 19:43:51 GMT
I've always wondered how the U.S. archives fare for such things as VT dramas and sitcoms, news broadcasts, pop shows, chat shows, light entertainment etc. (particularly with regard to the '60s and '70s). We mainly know about the widely circulated filmed stuff here in the U.K, which mainly exists anyway. Apparently UCLA and the Library of Congress have an extensive collection from the whole of TV history,but of course it's not generally available to Joe public. |
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Post by Steven Sigel on May 24, 2006 19:50:46 GMT
I think that when the book said "Don't bother trying to find it" - they didn't mean that the show was missing, but rather that it was out of circulation. As a general rule, most filmed US TV series (I'm not talking about live or kinescoped stuff) still exist. Buckskin certainly is around -- I've seen 16mm film prints of it... I don't know much about the other shows you mentioned, so those might indeed be missing... Are you locating these on film or video? Buckskin was found on 16MM,(the book implied that it was a missing show at the time),as is virtually all of the stuff that turns up.I personally know one guy who has bought an awful lot of stuff over the years(at considerable personal expense),and he has 600 reels he hasn't so much as even looked at yet,so goodness only knows what will turn up there-we keep on at him to get on the case,but he does have a day job as well!!...Still,what he has catalogued so far is impressive enough for anybody. Steve Donovan and Whispering Smith are gone for good,it would appear..... Hmm.. Well they were wrong -- I once turned down a batch of 50 or 60 prints of "Buckskin" because I didn't know what to do with them... I've got about 5000 16mm films, so I know what it's like to try to sort through them... |
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Post by gk on May 24, 2006 19:55:43 GMT
you don't have a set of Temple Houston reels knocking around do you?;)If you do,I would very much like to talk to you!!
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Post by Steven Sigel on May 24, 2006 20:16:31 GMT
you don't have a set of Temple Houston reels knocking around do you?;)If you do,I would very much like to talk to you!! Nope. Haven't seen that one around... I'm not a big fan of westerns though - so I don't go out of my way to buy them, and when I do, I tend to sell them off relatively quickly... Right now the only western stuff that I have in stock that comes to mind includes - "Frontier Adventures (aka Death Valley Days)", "Laredo", "Wyatt Earp", "Wild Bill Hickcock" , "Gene Autry show", "Young Daniel Boone", "Shotgun Slade", and possibly a few other odds and ends. I do get new batches of film fairly frequently though, so if you send me a list of titles to look out for, I'd be happy to keep my eye out. You can send me a private message through the board. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2006 20:18:54 GMT
Apparently UCLA and the Library of Congress have an extensive collection from the whole of TV history,but of course it's not generally available to Joe public. How extensive is extensive though, I wonder? A good representative but random sampling from over the years (a la BFI) or thorough and fairly comprehensive? My bet would be on the former. |
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Post by gk on May 24, 2006 20:50:42 GMT
you don't have a set of Temple Houston reels knocking around do you?;)If you do,I would very much like to talk to you!! Nope. Haven't seen that one around... I'm not a big fan of westerns though - so I don't go out of my way to buy them, and when I do, I tend to sell them off relatively quickly... Right now the only western stuff that I have in stock that comes to mind includes - "Frontier Adventures (aka Death Valley Days)", "Laredo", "Wyatt Earp", "Wild Bill Hickcock" , "Gene Autry show", "Young Daniel Boone", "Shotgun Slade", and possibly a few other odds and ends. I do get new batches of film fairly frequently though, so if you send me a list of titles to look out for, I'd be happy to keep my eye out. You can send me a private message through the board. will do-I'll get a list put together and contact you thanks! |
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Post by tickyra on Jun 1, 2006 12:39:14 GMT
My partner grew up in the US (Boston area) in the 60's & seems to remember seeing b/w DW at the time (she clearly knew of Hartnell before moving to the UK & seeing T.Baker's Dr.) I've posted this info on another forum before & hope this info has not supplied any false hopes etc, as the clarity I've gained seems to disprove it.
Having quizzed her sci-fi obsessive brother recently, he categoriacally states that b/w DW was NOT shown there. Where the confusion lies seems to come from DW's inclusion on a US documentary about UK tv (which also included Coronation St) which he recalls this as being DW's only 60's tv appearnce in the region. He can't recall any detail (Daleks etc), but it's another distant potential lead for material.
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Post by Steven Sigel on Jun 1, 2006 23:47:53 GMT
My partner grew up in the US (Boston area) in the 60's & seems to remember seeing b/w DW at the time (she clearly knew of Hartnell before moving to the UK & seeing T.Baker's Dr.) I've posted this info on another forum before & hope this info has not supplied any false hopes etc, as the clarity I've gained seems to disprove it. Having quizzed her sci-fi obsessive brother recently, he categoriacally states that b/w DW was NOT shown there. Where the confusion lies seems to come from DW's inclusion on a US documentary about UK tv (which also included Coronation St) which he recalls this as being DW's only 60's tv appearnce in the region. He can't recall any detail (Daleks etc), but it's another distant potential lead for material. The earliest Dr. Whos run in Boston were some of the Pertwee's in 1976 as far as I know... You could easily check the Boston Globe TV page in the library for that era to be sure though.. The B&W Dr. Whos were first run here in 1986. |
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Post by madman on Jun 2, 2006 11:52:42 GMT
That story about the guy splitting tape and having really early late-60s recordings is online somewhere – I have come across and read it. It's heart-breaking, really, as the earliest known video recording of a Doctor Who episode turned out to be one that's otherwise survived anyway! I think Steve Roberts wrote the article in question and explains that they thought it was Space Pirates 3 at first and got all excited, then were crushed with disappointment when it was in fact the only surviving ep of that 6-parter. D'oh!
If this huge stash of tapes in the States – on the Candian border!! – could remotely feasibly contain episodes from our missing list, it's very important that fandom over there is mobilised to help gk! It would need some dedicated volunteers to go through the lot, I'd have thought. If I was in Montana (rather than Notting Hill!) I'd sign up right now!
Can no-one post here exact broadcast titles and dates for Doctor Who on Canadian stations that might help go through the tapes (assuming they are labelled)?
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Post by Bobby Clark (synthpopalooza) on Jun 2, 2006 19:31:59 GMT
I'm sure there is some research going on into the airdates of old Doctor Who episodes in Canada, over on the Unearthly Child board ... I have heard that a lot of the old Hartnell Who's (including Marco Polo) were aired in eastern Canada and then the prints were bicycled westwards across Canada. There were a lot of Pertwees aired in Canada which were also in colour ... mainly late-era stuff like Planet of the Daleks and etc. but it's also possible you might come across Ambassadors of Death or Mind of Evil in colour.
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