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Post by Jeff Stone on Aug 23, 2005 12:18:47 GMT
The BBC have done quite a lot *recently* to try to find missing material. One has to remember, though, that in the main TV companies like the Beeb are more focussed on screening shows they DO have, rather than trying to locate stuff they don't. I'm not making excuses for them, but until fairly recently there wasn't a heck of a lot of interest in this sort of thing. Not outside of DW, anyway. I may well be wrong there. Jeff
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Post by Jeff Stone on Aug 23, 2005 12:22:40 GMT
Paul Joyce, you da man.
I dunno where this 'money grubbers' thing has come from. From my experience, people who've found missing episodes are only to happy to return their lucky find. Most don't ask for compensation beyond courier costs or a copy of the original. These people do not 'hoard' missing episodes. 99.999999% of the time, they don't even realise what they have is unique. For instance, the Kiwi bloke who returned The Crusade #1 a few years back assumed the BBC would be intelligent enough to hold onto a copy themselves. Jeff
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Post by Wright Blan on Aug 23, 2005 17:57:00 GMT
With the DVD boom going strong, it would seem that the Beeb would be stepping up efforts to recover material. The profits made would in all probability be greater than the costs. Overseas sales to foreign networks would bring in more funds also.
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Post by Ian Abrahams on Aug 23, 2005 18:24:34 GMT
With the DVD boom going strong, it would seem that the Beeb would be stepping up efforts to recover material. The profits made would in all probability be greater than the costs. Overseas sales to foreign networks would bring in more funds also. Assuming that a) the cost of searching for a needle in a haystack could be offset by selling the needle afterwards and b) that they believe there is a viable amount of needles to look for in the first place. And I can't see any commercial organisation (or one entrusted with licence payer money) thinking either of those to be likely, honestly., Ian
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Post by Gareth R on Aug 23, 2005 21:24:23 GMT
With the DVD boom going strong, it would seem that the Beeb would be stepping up efforts to recover material Why? There's a mountain of *existing* material that they ought to release before they start worrying about missing stuff. Hmmm... I'm sure I read somewhere fairly recently that Worldwide was finding it difficult enough to interest overseas broadcasters in licensing colour VT episodes of original-series Doctor Who... so if you think that there's any kind of clamour from foriegn networks for black-and-white 16mm stories, I honestly think you're away with the fairies. The BBC probably couldn't *give* them away, let alone charge for them.
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Post by Wright Blan on Aug 24, 2005 3:56:23 GMT
With the DVD boom going strong, it would seem that the Beeb would be stepping up efforts to recover material Because a complete and restored "The Tenth Plannet" would probably sell more copies on its own than a complete series of "Foxy Lady", "Butterflies", or "Agony"(though I might buy the latter, I must admit.) Since the Beeb have really screwed the pooch with launching the new series in America I'm not that suprised. The old series biggest flaw in regards to it's saleability is probably its serial form. There's limited breathing space in regards into the running order. I'm sure some of the content would be a problem also.
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Post by Gareth R on Aug 24, 2005 21:15:11 GMT
te and restored "The Tenth Plannet" would probably sell more copies on its own than a complete series of "Foxy Lady", "Butterflies", or "Agony" Foxy Lady wasn't a BBC production. Neither was Agony. Still, one out of three ain't bad! And I don't see what point you're trying to make. No matter how many fanboys would get a week-long erection if TP4 turned up, any DVD of same would still be outsold by any number of other BBC discs. As the RT has pointed out time and again, Doctor Who doesn't actually shift that many DVDs compared to other titles in the BBC range - it's a niche product with a niche audience. It's nothing to do with the new series, it's the fact that original DW is so very very dated now. It's a 40-year-old low-budget children's sci-fi series in 25-minute segments; overseas broadcasters just aren't interested in that kind of thing any more. And in a situation where nobody wants to buy the colour episodes, you can forget about anyone showing interest in the black-and-white stuff.
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Post by Stephen Neve on Aug 28, 2005 18:20:17 GMT
This is possibly why collectors who could possess missing material do not return it to the BBC. They know that the BBC will make a bundle on the return of missing material. So shouldn't people who returned episodes to the BBC archives at least get some sort of reward, or cash incentive? A free copy of the remastered episode at least ? Just an idea, any further information or ideas would be appreciated. Thanks, Lance. Lance - I've said this before and I'll say it again: There is no evidence that anyone has anything. And even less evidence that people are holding onto things because they want to make money off of them. The vast majority of collectors would be happy to loan their prints back to the BBC. (and in fact in every known case of someone finding a missing Dr. Who episode, they have allowed the BBC to make a copy at no charge). As a film collector, I am really starting to resent the implication that as a group we are hoarders and money grubbers. Please stop this. As a film collector, I am really starting to resent the implication that as a group we are hoarders and money grubbers. Please stop this.Thats certainly not the intention Steven, film collectors are a nice group of people I'm sure. However the point I would like to get across is we live in a money grabbing society and not everybody is honest in this world. I've no doubt 99% of collectors would willingly share any material with the BBC, but you have too look at the possibility of there being the one percent who wouldent share there matarial. I am an ebayer and and 99% of sellers and buyers are nice honest people, there is the 1% who are greedy dishonest people. I can't imagine it would be any different in the world of film collecting. Regards Stephen
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Post by Clive Shaw on Aug 28, 2005 19:29:00 GMT
> I can't imagine it would be any different in the world of film collecting.
I can't imagine it would be different in any sphere of society, if only 1% of film collectors are as dishonest as you say, then I would claim that film collectors must be one of the most honest sections of society.
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Post by jamie mccrimmon on Sept 4, 2005 9:43:59 GMT
Stephen, I understand what you mean. I am also an ebay user. It's amongst sellers and bidders. Sellers, most people can guess: the item isn't genuine the item is damaged they never send the item they bump up the postage The 2nd and 3rd are the worst IMO. The item was apparently brand new, but when I received it, the casing was damaged and there were a few glitches on the tape. The seller said it was probably my rubbish video player. My video player was checked and it was fine. Bidders: Ghost bidding It's called ghost bidding. If abidder bids on something but has no intention whatsoever of 'coughing up the dough'. Someone before bid over £103 on a milk bottle top. I really don't think they'd have payed for it. These are the things that can happen at ebay, but I'm sure that in the world of film collecting, many deceitful things happening too.
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Post by Andrew Doherty on Sept 4, 2005 11:55:26 GMT
My own experience of recovering and returning missing programmes to the television archives has been a positive one. It has'nt always been easy, though. Nevertheless, The team at the NFTVA and the BBC (over the past eighteen years) have always been helpful when I have contacted them about any material I have located, which was listed as missing. Although I have not notified this or any other forum of the recovery of missing programmes before, if I receive any information about such material and the item(s) are confirmed as missing and the programme(s) are returned to the archives, I will be happy to notify this forum . But, only after there is positive confirmation. Yours,
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Post by WilliamM on Sept 5, 2005 14:58:05 GMT
also the paranoid in me says that only the honest collectors will reply the dishonest ones will just keep quiet.
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Post by SteveB on Sept 5, 2005 17:19:13 GMT
There are hoarders / collectors with quite odd attitudes
Also, for every person in the BBC who is helpful and friendly when "lost" material is offered, there are 100 who don't give a toss. I have heard some horror stories.
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Post by Jeff Stone on Sept 9, 2005 13:57:46 GMT
Lance -
I've said this before and I'll say it again:
There is no evidence that anyone has anything. And even less evidence that people are holding onto things because they want to make money off of them.
The vast majority of collectors would be happy to loan their prints back to the BBC. (and in fact in every known case of someone finding a missing Dr. Who episode, they have allowed the BBC to make a copy at no charge).
As a film collector, I am really starting to resent the implication that as a group we are hoarders and money grubbers. Please stop this.
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As a film collector, I am really starting to resent the implication that as a group we are hoarders and money grubbers. Please stop this.
Thats certainly not the intention
That's odd. It seems that is precisely the intention to me!
Sucks, dunnit, when ignorant people who don't even know you make assumptions based on nothing at all.
Not all of us think you're hoarders, trust me. Most of us consider you guys and gals more or less our only hope of locating any more missing material.
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