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Post by Robbo13 on May 26, 2005 20:29:38 GMT
Surely still worth a try though Richard? Other islands might have "swapped" recordings even if they werent meant to?
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Post by Arnold Von Beagle on May 28, 2005 4:12:40 GMT
Why would the Cayman government have any television archives? For the recorde, there's no indication of the Cayman's ever purchasing any DW material. Indeed, I've got a sneaking memory that they got their television service comparatively late in he day compared to other places in the Caribbean. Richard Gee, Richard, you're sounding a little more condescending than usual. Perhaps someone in the Cayman Govt/ tv station/network thought it important to keep a film/tv archive to preserve programming concerning the islands's hisotry and cultural life. |
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Post by LanceM on May 28, 2005 5:16:01 GMT
I just Picked a country from the list of countries that Bill posted, and thought I would give the Islands a try. I will ask them how far back thier archives date to. I did also send them a list of all missing episodes, as well as thier broadcast dates, and length of the episodes. So Could the Cayman Islands have any missing material? Possibly sent from other tropical islands to thier television station?
Thanks,Lance.
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Post by Wright Blan on May 28, 2005 5:37:39 GMT
I just Picked a country from the list of countries that Bill posted, and thought I would give the Islands a try. I will ask them how far back thier archives date to. I did also send them a list of all missing episodes, as well as thier broadcast dates, and length of the episodes. So Could the Cayman Islands have any missing material? Possibly sent from other tropical islands to thier television station? Thanks,Lance. I don't know how much the Caribbean Island nations traded among each other, but it's worth a shot. |
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Post by Stuart Douglas on May 28, 2005 17:00:52 GMT
Why would the Cayman government have any television archives? For the recorde, there's no indication of the Cayman's ever purchasing any DW material. Indeed, I've got a sneaking memory that they got their television service comparatively late in he day compared to other places in the Caribbean. Richard Gee, Richard, you're sounding a little more condescending than usual. Perhaps someone in the Cayman Govt/ tv station/network thought it important to keep a film/tv archive to preserve programming concerning the islands's hisotry and cultural life. Truly, I despair of this forum. Why on earth is it condescending to point out a couple of simple facts? Am I missing some hidden text in Richard's replies, possibly in a very small white font, that is terribly patronising? For the record, the latest census (in 1997) reckoned there were under 7,000 televisions in the entire Caymans - if they did show Doctor Who I don't suppose they were paying for it so it does seem a little unlikely that they would admit to having copies of a show they stole in the first place just because some obsessive in the US/UK writes to them (not meaning Lance in particular, btw). Really, I have no problem with people writing to any country they fancy, but Richard pointing out why it is very unlikely they will be successful in one specific instance is useful advice rather than condescension, surely? As for the idea that they might have kept an archive to "preserve programming concerning the islands's hisotry and cultural life" - well maybe, but what's that got to do with missing Dr Who? Staurt |
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Post by Clive Shaw on May 28, 2005 18:43:39 GMT
....and to add to Stuarts comments, I do hope that within your letter writing campaigns you do make mention of other missing BBC material which may be out there, it would be a missed opportunity to concentrate purely on Dr Who (and who knows what may be hidden away in a BBC marked film can)
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Post by Arnold Von Beagle on May 29, 2005 3:17:48 GMT
Gee, Richard, you're sounding a little more condescending than usual. Perhaps someone in the Cayman Govt/ tv station/network thought it important to keep a film/tv archive to preserve programming concerning the islands's hisotry and cultural life. Truly, I despair of this forum. Why on earth is it condescending to point out a couple of simple facts? Am I missing some hidden text in Richard's replies, possibly in a very small white font, that is terribly patronising? For the record, the latest census (in 1997) reckoned there were under 7,000 televisions in the entire Caymans - if they did show Doctor Who I don't suppose they were paying for it so it does seem a little unlikely that they would admit to having copies of a show they stole in the first place just because some obsessive in the US/UK writes to them (not meaning Lance in particular, btw). Really, I have no problem with people writing to any country they fancy, but Richard pointing out why it is very unlikely they will be successful in one specific instance is useful advice rather than condescension, surely? As for the idea that they might have kept an archive to "preserve programming concerning the islands's hisotry and cultural life" - well maybe, but what's that got to do with missing Dr Who? Staurt Well I for one thought he was being very condescending to the Caymans. His query sounded much in the vein of that BBC Radio personality who said Nigeria was so backward they still thought Troughton was the Doctor. If that wasn't his intention, I apologize. As for your closing query: If there is an archive for programs from Cayman Islands tv, than mabye there is a chance there is some foreign programming that appeared on Cayman TV (or whatever they call it) which for whatever reason got shelved in the archives. |
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Post by Stuart Douglas on May 30, 2005 11:50:59 GMT
As for your closing query: If there is an archive for programs from Cayman Islands tv, than mabye there is a chance there is some foreign programming that appeared on Cayman TV (or whatever they call it) which for whatever reason got shelved in the archives. We're stretching things a bit now aren't we? Look in an possibly non-existent archive dedicated to preserving the 'cultural' and 'historical' life of the Cayman Islands, for potentially mis-filed copies of BBC television that the Caymans may possibly have illegally pinched form some other country and theoretically not returned? Clutching at straws a little  Stuart |
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Post by B Thomas on May 30, 2005 14:09:20 GMT
Oh, ease up on them Stuart.
You, I and others may think differently but at the end of the day it's only their own time and effort being employed here.
I hardly think that an exercise like this seriously disadvantages the rest of us. Who knows? Someone may even strike it lucky (though I won’t be holding my breath).
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Post by Arnold Von Beagle on May 30, 2005 19:39:45 GMT
Oh, ease up on them Stuart. You, I and others may think differently but at the end of the day it's only their own time and effort being employed here. I hardly think that an exercise like this seriously disadvantages the rest of us. Who knows? Someone may even strike it lucky (though I won’t be holding my breath). Honestly, I'm not holding my breath hoping for a complete run of "Galaxy Four". I'm just a little peeved that someone seems to think so little of a foreign country that they believed that that country wouldn't even care to store their own locally produced programming somewhere. |
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Post by Stuart Douglas on May 30, 2005 21:16:40 GMT
Oh, ease up on them Stuart. You, I and others may think differently but at the end of the day it's only their own time and effort being employed here. I hardly think that an exercise like this seriously disadvantages the rest of us. Who knows? Someone may even strike it lucky (though I won’t be holding my breath). Ah, fair enough - that last post was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, mind... Stuart |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jun 4, 2005 17:50:42 GMT
Honestly, I'm not holding my breath hoping for a complete run of "Galaxy Four". I'm just a little peeved that someone seems to think so little of a foreign country that they believed that that country wouldn't even care to store their own locally produced programming somewhere. Good grief! Talking about taking a comment and turning it into something completely and utterly different. But Lance isn't talking about the television station/network, which is precisely my point. My query is asking why anyone would think that the Caymen *government* would hold an archive of television programmes rather than the *television service* of that particular country. How you manage to turn that round to being a condesending statement is completely beyond me. Richard |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jun 5, 2005 3:09:08 GMT
My query is asking why anyone would think that the Caymen *government* would hold an archive of television programmes rather than the *television service* of that particular country. Richard Indeed, not every country even keeps a TV archive. TVNZ didn't - and have only kept stuff made in NZ from about only 20 years ago, and they've been broadcasting for 45! In fact, TVNZ recently put out a public plea asking if anyone has footage from old NZ music programmes. And yes, before anyone asks, the people involved in this project *are* aware to lookout for other missing material! (and they have a list of missing Whos. - just in case!) Jon been intouch |
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Post by B Thomas on Jun 5, 2005 5:24:43 GMT
My query is asking why anyone would think that the Caymen *government* would hold an archive of television programmes rather than the *television service* of that particular country. Richard Indeed, not every country even keeps a TV archive. TVNZ didn't - and have only kept stuff made in NZ from about only 20 years ago, and they've been broadcasting for 45! In fact, TVNZ recently put out a public plea asking if anyone has footage from old NZ music programmes. And yes, before anyone asks, the people involved in this project *are* aware to lookout for other missing material! (and they have a list of missing Whos. - just in case!) Jon been intouch Thanks for pointing that out, Jon. It seems there are so many "experts" on New Zealand out there that they often forget that those of us living here are probably better placed examine the local arena. The idea of an army of international fans petitioning the New Zealand Government demanding the return of episodes which may or not be held by a privatised company makes me feel a bit queasy… Having said that, I've recently been in touch with people from the new TV Archive. My general impression of them didn't fill me with confidence - they didn't seem very well informed and didn't strike me as particularly interested. I have a friend whose father (a film cameraman) was the first at the summit of Mt Cook to film the first ascent. The film of this event is partially missing (as far as I can ascertain) and could be out there somewhere. This doesn't seem to merit much interest for those who don't know much about the event. Shame, that... |
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Post by Arnold Von Beagle on Jun 6, 2005 4:00:42 GMT
Honestly, I'm not holding my breath hoping for a complete run of "Galaxy Four". I'm just a little peeved that someone seems to think so little of a foreign country that they believed that that country wouldn't even care to store their own locally produced programming somewhere. Good grief! Talking about taking a comment and turning it into something completely and utterly different. But Lance isn't talking about the television station/network, which is precisely my point. My query is asking why anyone would think that the Caymen *government* would hold an archive of television programmes rather than the *television service* of that particular country. I made what I thought was a logical assumption that the Cayman government controlled/funded at least one television station within its borders. This is true for a good number of nation-states in the world, including the UK. How you manage to turn that round to being a condesending statement is completely beyond me. Richard Well, your first post made it sound like the Caymans were ran like a total banana republic. If this was not your intention, than I apoligize. |
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