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Post by LanceM on May 1, 2005 16:42:59 GMT
I have heard several rumors considering that a good portion of the Toronto CBC archives have not been searched for missing material, could other archives exist that have yet not been fully searched? Like the ABC archives? or even the BBC archives ( Ice Warriors find) ? It seems strange to think that missing episodes that we want to see could be gathering dust in an old film shelf. Any thoughts or info would be great.
Thanks,Lance.
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Post by Guest on May 1, 2005 19:55:57 GMT
This has been discussed a lot recently Lance. Have a read through some of the other threads.
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Post by Stuart Douglas on May 1, 2005 20:57:46 GMT
What in hell's name are you guys talking about? There is no unarchived CBC archive here ... they passed copies of all their material on years ago to the national archives. Where do you get this stuff??? Wasn't this one debunked decades ago?? Nick I think this is the comment (from the Space Pirates thread) which Guest has in mind. Stuart |
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Post by Lance M on May 2, 2005 16:53:16 GMT
Thanks for the posts guys. But I was just wondering if there exist any un-searched archives which could contain missing who? In Australia, Canada, UK, or other nations where missing epps were sent. And if missing episode hoarders do exist, why are they hoarding episodes from the fans who only want to see thier favorite television series? Are they waiting for someone to actually pay them? Maybe the BBC should consider posting cash incentives for the return of vintage material? They would probably well make up for the loss of the reward cash in the sales that promoting and selling the material would bring the BBC? Any thoughts would be great.
Thanks,Lance.
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Post by Stephen Neve on May 2, 2005 18:51:50 GMT
Thanks for the posts guys. But I was just wondering if there exist any un-searched archives which could contain missing who? In Australia, Canada, UK, or other nations where missing epps were sent. And if missing episode hoarders do exist, why are they hoarding episodes from the fans who only want to see thier favorite television series? Are they waiting for someone to actually pay them? Maybe the BBC should consider posting cash incentives for the return of vintage material? They would probably well make up for the loss of the reward cash in the sales that promoting and selling the material would bring the BBC? Any thoughts would be great. Thanks,Lance. They may well be Lance. I have heard of a warehouse in Toronto that has tons of unclasssified film, but red tape and legal issues means nobody has ever been able to get permisson to go through it. Tons of unknown programs are sitting there, just rotting away. There maybe Doctor Who in there. As for hoarders, I have an idea how to test the theory. Get a consortium of people together then Put an ad in somewhere offering to buy a lost episode, and then see how many greedy people come out of the woodwork taking the bait. What do you think Lance!. |
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Post by Gary on May 3, 2005 8:12:13 GMT
And these are just the archives we know about too. How many others are there in far flung parts of the world as yet also unchecked in the same way?
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Post by Lance M on May 3, 2005 20:29:38 GMT
Steven,
Sounds like a good idea to me. I think that hoarders need cash incentives to give up thier episode(s). What do you think would be a good way to start? Where would be a good place to place an add that film collectors would see? I had an idea that if some doctor who fans who live in european countries could send in requests or some sort of announcement at the film fairs, and film festivals about the hunt for missing material, and a list of the material we and other people would be interested in finding, as well as who to contact. Another idea would be to contact antique shops, pawn shops, and thrift shops to see if they have any film, and if so if any of the film is Doctor Who? Just a few thoughts, what do you think.
Lance.
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Post by Robbo on May 3, 2005 22:14:26 GMT
The trouble is when collectors continually get told of the fact that the films they may have in their posession mean alot to people then that in turn will push the asking prices up. Catch 22 I think!
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Post by Stephen Neve on May 3, 2005 22:37:15 GMT
Steven, Sounds like a good idea to me. I think that hoarders need cash incentives to give up thier episode(s). What do you think would be a good way to start? Where would be a good place to place an add that film collectors would see? I had an idea that if some doctor who fans who live in european countries could send in requests or some sort of announcement at the film fairs, and film festivals about the hunt for missing material, and a list of the material we and other people would be interested in finding, as well as who to contact. Another idea would be to contact antique shops, pawn shops, and thrift shops to see if they have any film, and if so if any of the film is Doctor Who? Just a few thoughts, what do you think. Lance. I think any sort of advertisment should be aimed at film collectors, listing all 108 missing episodes on film collector forums, magazines and in local papers and see if anyone replies and how much they want for the episode. Its only an idea at the moment Lance, if we can get enough people together it might possibly work. As with all these things there is a risk of being duped by hoaxers and generally nasty people so some rules should be set in place, the most important being positive proof the episode exists before any financial transactions taking place. If you leave me your emaikl address Lance I will come up with some more ideas which can be discussed. Since your in the USA it won't be anygood putting such an ad in any local state papers as there are not any missing episodes in the states, they diden't start showing black and white who untill after the junking process. However missing colour pertwee episodes are a different matter and it might be worth you putting an ad in your local paper and see what happens. Regards Stephen |
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Post by Stephen Neve on May 3, 2005 22:45:40 GMT
The trouble is when collectors continually get told of the fact that the films they may have in their posession mean alot to people then that in turn will push the asking prices up. Catch 22 I think! Depends how greedy they are, it would also help astablish the possibel existence of any prints, and if the asking price is too high, it might be worth getting Steve Roberts to put pressure on them. Its just and idea, at the moment, just getting feedback from people at the moment, seeing what they think or any better suggestions. |
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Post by Guest on May 4, 2005 0:29:22 GMT
Depends how greedy they are, it would also help astablish the possibel existence of any prints, and if the asking price is too high, it might be worth getting Steve Roberts to put pressure on them. Its just and idea, at the moment, just getting feedback from people at the moment, seeing what they think or any better suggestions. The problem with pressure tactics is that they don't work. It's easy to deny owning missing material, Who or otherwise, as I recently discovered. Short of theft there's little that can be done. You have to get done to get it done. What the smeg is a thirft shop out of interest? I live in Ireland and thus assume this is a US thing. |
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Post by LanceM on May 4, 2005 4:21:31 GMT
Steven: I will see what I can do about putting an add in my local paper. Oh, here is my e-mail address: stereofreak01@hotmail.com And here is a little something I uncovered about that unchecked archive we were all discussing of late. from the website: www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Lot/8256/landf.htm#sec.5" There had been several sightings by convincing eye-witnesses of this story having been broadcast by CBC affiliates across Canada. The BBC was said to have been attempting to ascertain the facts behind this story and to have been attempting to obtain access uncatalogued material in a storehouse in Toronto." There proof that the BBC was trying at a time to access this lost archive. So Steven, send me an e-mail sometime. If anyone would like to reply, that would be appreciated. Thanks,Lance. |
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Post by Guest on May 4, 2005 4:32:03 GMT
That's not actual proof, merely hearsay.
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Post by CliveUK on May 4, 2005 6:30:05 GMT
Steven: " There had been several sightings by convincing eye-witnesses of this story having been broadcast by CBC affiliates across Canada. The BBC was said to have been attempting to ascertain the facts behind this story and to have been attempting to obtain access uncatalogued material in a storehouse in Toronto." There proof that the BBC was trying at a time to access this lost archive. Proof and gossip from the internet are completely different things |
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Post by Stuart Douglas on May 4, 2005 11:53:49 GMT
Proof and gossip from the internet are completely different things The author of the article in quesion even points out - in the same section as the Canadian archive - that 'readers are encouraged to treat any unverified information as such'. It'd be nice to think that there was a huge pile of lost TV in a warehouse in Toronto, but given the active Canadian Who scene, the links between the BBC and CBC and the relative accessibility of any such warehouse, I'd say this was so unlikely as to not even count as a rumour. Pity... Stuart |
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