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Post by Wright Blan on Feb 23, 2005 3:32:09 GMT
Thought I'd ask about this over here, since the subject came up over in another forum. What kind of rights deal does/did the BBC have with The Beatles over the use of "Ticket To Ride"? Was it in perpetutity or was it a one time thing that needed to be renewed for repeats and video sales?
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Post by Richard Bignell on Feb 23, 2005 17:33:53 GMT
Thought I'd ask about this over here, since the subject came up over in another forum. What kind of rights deal does/did the BBC have with The Beatles over the use of "Ticket To Ride"? Was it in perpetutity or was it a one time thing that needed to be renewed for repeats and video sales? They have no rights at all! Rights agreements on DW (and many other programmes) were struck for the original transmission and usually, one repeat within three years. Whilst rights *can* often be renegotiated for repeat transmission, things can get much more tricky when it comes to commercial expoitation of programmes on DVD and VHS. In recent years, music has had to be removed from various DW stories such as Spearhead, Remembrance and the VHS release of Revelation of the Daleks. At the moment, the Beatles are completely unclearable as far as DW is concerned, which is why their single in the cafe scene of The Evil of the Daleks on the CD release had to be changed. Richard |
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Post by Shane Anderson on Feb 23, 2005 17:47:27 GMT
So my off-air PBS recording of the Chase from the mid-80s that has the Beatles material included is a collectors item!  Did the Remembrance/Chase two pack have the Beatles performance included? |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Feb 23, 2005 18:11:13 GMT
Did the Remembrance/Chase two pack have the Beatles performance included? Yes. Twelve years ago, the Beatles track was clearable. But the catalogue has changed hands since then and, at this moment in time, it can't be cleared. Whether that will change in the future, who can say! Richard |
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Post by Andy McKinney on Feb 23, 2005 18:33:14 GMT
Yes. Twelve years ago, the Beatles track was clearable. But the catalogue has changed hands since then and, at this moment in time, it can't be cleared. Whether that will change in the future, who can say! Richard Well, now we fans have TWO good reasons to hold onto that Chase/Remembrance VHS set: both tapes contain music that is now unclearable. Expect that if "The Chase" is released on DVD without that "Beatles" scene, that the VHS set will begin to command collector's prices (or at least hold its own). |
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Post by Wright Blan on Feb 24, 2005 4:38:42 GMT
Yes. Twelve years ago, the Beatles track was clearable. But the catalogue has changed hands since then and, at this moment in time, it can't be cleared. Whether that will change in the future, who can say! Richard Well, it didn't entirely change hands, Richard. Sony onl bought half and formed Sony/ATV with Michael Jackson (who bought the rights in 1985). And despite a trucjload of rumour, I can find no credible rerports that Sony has bought him out. Why can't it be cleared now, btw? Besides the money issue? Jackson's criminal trial couldn't be holding up al of his everyday business. Is this a BBC thing? |
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Post by Paul Hayes on Feb 24, 2005 12:33:38 GMT
I don't think it has anything to do with Jackson (or whoever's) publishing rights to the song - I think the problem is more Apple's copyright over the actual performance of The Beatles themselves.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Feb 24, 2005 17:54:30 GMT
I don't think it has anything to do with Jackson (or whoever's) publishing rights to the song - I think the problem is more Apple's copyright over the actual performance of The Beatles themselves. Absolutely! The problem lies with Apple, not with Jackson or anyone else. Richard |
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Post by LanceM on Feb 24, 2005 22:07:17 GMT
So could the USA chase/remembrance set become as valuable as Timelash, or Monster of Peladon? Which version of the chase/remembrance set in the USA? The first release was by CBS FOX, the next was by Warner Home Video. But I have the Warner set and it does have the Beatles segment on it.
Thanks,Lance.
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Post by Wright Blan on Feb 25, 2005 4:31:02 GMT
I don't think it has anything to do with Jackson (or whoever's) publishing rights to the song - I think the problem is more Apple's copyright over the actual performance of The Beatles themselves. Is Apple the actual owner of the performance footage? I a little hazy on Brittish performance and use of image rights, so forgive my ignorance. I would have thought the copyrights to the footage would belong to whatever organization produced the clip. And since Apple didn't come along till later, I would doubt they made it (unless they bought the rights later). That Apple controls the rights to The Beatles image I have no debate over. And where did this clip come from anyway? Was it a promo clip made by Parliphone, or was it actual television footage? |
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Post by Adam James Smith on Feb 27, 2005 19:54:02 GMT
It was an insert filmed in advance (I think at the BBC)for broadcast on TOp of the Pops.
I THINK that the actual visual film of the band performing is not a problem..it's just the sound that the rights problem's over.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Feb 27, 2005 22:23:02 GMT
It was an insert filmed in advance (I think at the BBC)for broadcast on TOp of the Pops. I THINK that the actual visual film of the band performing is not a problem..it's just the sound that the rights problem's over. Indeed. The Beatles performance (actually a mime) was recorded on Saturday 10 April 1964 and transmitted on Top of the Pops on 15 April. As you correctly say, it's not the visual that's the problem, it's the performance of Ticket to Ride that's the stumbling block. Richard |
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Post by Wright Blan on Feb 28, 2005 3:57:28 GMT
Indeed. The Beatles performance (actually a mime) was recorded on Saturday 10 April 1964 and transmitted on Top of the Pops on 15 April. As you correctly say, it's not the visual that's the problem, it's the performance of Ticket to Ride that's the stumbling block. Richard How much does Sony/ATV charge for use of a Beatles track these days? Does it depend on the popularity of the song, or do ythey charge the same rate for each song? Also, is there some kind of friction between the BBC and Sony/ATV and/or Apple? Why would it be hard to come up with an amicable agreement? Wouldn't the Beeb want to get something done, epsecially if they get an agreement to show the old series on Sci-Fi in America? |
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Post by Wright Blan on Mar 3, 2005 3:23:14 GMT
Any fans good at singing? If so, we need a good cover version of Ticket To Ride before the DVD release! Hmmmm,,,that would be an interesting easter egg! And what's this about a dvd release? |
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Post by Ben on Mar 26, 2005 2:08:16 GMT
Sorry to bring this up, but which songs were removed from "Evil", "Spearhead", "Revelation" and "Remembrance" and what were they replaced with?
I'd be GUTTED to loose the Ticket to Ride music from The Chase as I absolutely adore the scene and it's my favourite Beatles song to boot!
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