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Post by john mcintyre on Apr 10, 2008 22:59:49 GMT
is there any perfomances of peter doing oh you pretty things or my fav from 1970 lady barbara from totp disco toppop or anything would be great to see again
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Post by Kev Mulrenan on Apr 11, 2008 12:25:15 GMT
Ed and Zed either has Peter or Hermans.
Must be a rare colour appearance for that.
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Post by Peter Elliott on Apr 11, 2008 12:34:32 GMT
The only 1970 colour British TV clip I've ever seen of Hermans Hermits is a nice performance of "There's A Kind Of Hush" on The Morecambe and Wise Show.
I did read years ago that Herman (Noone) apparently broke his zip during a Royal Variety Performance show in 1970, so guess that may have survived. Certainly no TOTP of HH from 1970 nor Noone in 1971 which is a real shame since TOTP2 claimed that David Bowie guested on piano during a Noone performance of his biggest hit.
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Post by lpmoderator on Apr 11, 2008 14:35:20 GMT
The Ed And Zed appearance from 1970 survives on colour VT too. The Noone solo stuff came shortly after though so it's not Pretty Things but HH songs. There are also HH colour appearances in existence from mid-late '60s Ed Sullivan shows (Dandy is one of the clips I can call to mind - I forget offhand if there's more than one appearance although probably there is as they were quite big in the U.S.)
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Post by Peter Elliott on Apr 11, 2008 14:58:53 GMT
HH were no strangers to colour TV in the US thanks to Colour TV coming in big time during 1965 to 1967. Alongside the Sullivan clips are some from "Hullabaloo" but these have only survived as b+w t/r's and there's a 1967 appearance on "The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour" round the time The Who made their infamous appearance! It's very probable there are more USTV colour clips out there.
Unfortunately, like The Dave Clark Five, HH peaked in the US by 1967 and from 1968 onwards barely bothered with the US market and its at this point that clips seem to become less plentiful which is a real shame. Anyone know if a clip exists of "My Sentimental Friend"? I've always been fond of that number.
Nice to know there is another HH 1970 colour VT clip in existence though even b+w ones are welcome from that era.
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Post by lpmoderator on Apr 11, 2008 15:17:49 GMT
I think there's a b/w t/r of My Sentimental Friend from around 1969 in existence (I recall a short segment being used in a doc or something a while back but can't remember any more detail than that - sorry). Looked like it was a guest spot on a light entertainment show of some kind. Not a song that gets played much any more but one I recall well and probably their last sizeable hit.
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Post by Peter Elliott on Apr 11, 2008 15:27:24 GMT
Thanks for that info! That's good to know there is a clip of that song in existence.
Its a shame that one rarely ever gets played. I'm not a big HH fan but that's one of their best singles along with "No Milk Today" and "Theres A Kind Of Hush".
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Post by eric lawton on Apr 11, 2008 15:37:08 GMT
WHOAAAAA.........You REALLY are bringing great memories back there. That era for Peter was his best I believe. Sentimental Friend, Somethings Happening and Years may come, Years may go. Just LOVED those songs. When I saw him in concert about 8 years ago, I was delighted he sang all 3 of those tracks. Nice Guy too, I took a cd with me and he signed it during the interval. If you ask him a question or make a comment on his official site, He WILL get back to you eventually.
One of pops truly nice guys.
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Post by Peter Elliott on Apr 11, 2008 15:42:43 GMT
One of pops truly nice guys. Glad to help rekindle some nice memories! As for Noone himself, what he helped organise and do for the late Mike Smith over the last 5 years was amazing, tirelessly helping raise money for him and eventually helping purchase a special van for him so he could get about. Sadly, Smith didn't get much time to use it but he did get to see Bruce Springsteen earlier this year, the last concert he ever saw where Bruce dedicated "Born To Run" to Mike and his wife Charlie which meant a hell of a lot to Mike. And all that was thanks to Peter Noone's efforts and generosity.
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Post by Kev Mulrenan on Apr 12, 2008 11:14:30 GMT
Nice to see lots of HH fans out there.
Some great pop songs in their body of work; hardly surprising when you think Mickie Most produced them, and Led Zep played on their sessions.
They seem to have done reasonably well archive wise, partially beacuse they toured the world.
I am particularly fond of their beat beat beat appearances and their far east special.
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Post by Peter Elliott on Apr 12, 2008 11:20:54 GMT
I am particularly fond of their beat beat beat appearances and their far east special. Not seen the Far East special but that Beat Beat Beat performance is brilliant. On a music forum I often contribute to, there was a long thread about HH and whether they could play or not. Somebody posted the Beat Beat Beat stuff and it got an extraordinary reaction because not only does it prove they were a more than competent band, but it rocks brilliantly. Great to have a live "No Milk Today" and the performance of "Jezebel" is outstanding, mean and moody! When I first saw it in 1997, my opinion on HH changed for the better!
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Post by Chris Barratt on Apr 12, 2008 17:54:35 GMT
I believe the use of session players on their tracks is somewhat exagerated and that the group played on the majority of their hits with the likes of Jimmy Page used occasionally for solo's etc, the main question marks hang over the more MOR later hits such as Years May Come, by which time Mickie Most was priming Peter Noone as a solo star and the rest of the band galvanised as a unit in spite of this, knowing they were being sidelined. I wouldn't doubt that quite a few of their later A-sides were recorded without much input from the band, the last 2 for sure both sound like early Hot Chocolate with a Peter Noone vocal which they undoubtedly are - wheras up to 1968 they were putting out stuff they could perform live and that you could hear were group performances. Some of their later B-sides (It's Alright Now, Searching For The Southern Sun) are excellent and not what you'd expect from Hermans Hermits at all in an arrangement that seems to mirror what The Sweet did between '71 & '73, and Peter Noone has himself in recent acknowledged that Lec Leckenby in particular was an excellent and very under-rated musician....
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Post by Andy Howells on Apr 14, 2008 10:13:10 GMT
I think the Sounds of the Sixties featured three Hermits Clips including "Just a Little Bit Better" and "Somethings Happenning" there may also have been "My Sentimental Friend" but I'm not sure without checking the disc.
Definetely seen Theres A Kind of Hush on Morecambe and Wise too, though that strikes me as slightly odd as it was over two years after it was a hit for them..
One of the Ed Sullivan show's has been featured on Performance Channel only recently, I'll try and get back to you with what they sang as I recorded it.
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Post by Peter Elliott on Apr 14, 2008 14:30:59 GMT
I have them performing "I'm Henry The Eight I Am" in black and white on Ed Sullivan and it's totally live. Quite a garagey sounding performance too! Not sure how many times they appeared on that show but know they did appear on it in colour, so more than twice I would guess.
As for "Sounds Of The Sixties", it did not feature "My Sentimental Friend" but did feature the other two tracks you mentioned.
The Morecambe and Wise performance may indeed had been a strange choice but given the nature of the show, I believe that song was already a bit of a standard by that time and it fits in rather nicely and would not had been at all offensive to the ears of older viewers! We should get that one on the next BBC DVD of M+W shows since I believe they have not been editing out the music sections.
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Post by lpmoderator on Apr 14, 2008 14:38:39 GMT
They haven't fared too badly at all, archive-wise, with a good selection of performances in both b/w and colour from various shows over the years and even a couple of TOTP appearances. Much better than many other notable acts, in fact, who should have been preserved more comprehensively than they were.
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