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Post by andrew martin on Nov 13, 2005 16:46:34 GMT
"Hideaway" and "My Only Vice". The complete programme does still exist, as tranmitted 10/2/74.
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Post by Stephen Doran on Nov 13, 2005 17:45:05 GMT
i now have a perfect recording of the human menagerie album on cd and theres 2 bonus tracks on it 1 being judy teen.hideaway should have been a single its great.  |
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Post by Peter Chadwick on Nov 14, 2005 0:38:11 GMT
Macca has his own colour vt copy of the ATV special, plus outtakes, but I don't know what format these outtakes are on. The clip of 'Junior's Farm' in the 'Wingspan' doc stikes me as rather odd, as most of it seems to have other studio cameras in shot most of the time, but it's definitely extant in Macca's own collection - but whether it's just the Wings clip or the full show, I couldn't tell you. It's possibly an avenue worth checking, as he seems to have most of his tv appearances from the 70s and 80s. Did you know that Wings did an ad for Mother's Pride bread in the early 70s, but it was never used as the power strikes came in just before they were due to be transmitted, and the price of bread went up.
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Post by Laurence Piper on Nov 14, 2005 9:12:18 GMT
Macca has his own colour vt copy of the ATV special, plus outtakes, but I don't know what format these outtakes are on. The clip of 'Junior's Farm' in the 'Wingspan' doc stikes me as rather odd, as most of it seems to have other studio cameras in shot most of the time, but it's definitely extant in Macca's own collection - but whether it's just the Wings clip or the full show, I couldn't tell you. It's possibly an avenue worth checking, as he seems to have most of his tv appearances from the 70s and 80s. Thanks for the info, Peter. I've not seen the Junior's Farm clip since it was on TOTP originally but from what I recall, it was made to resemble a live performance being filmed on a stage (hence it may have deliberately included cameras in shot? Long time since I saw it so apologies if the memory is hazy!) Incidentally, I have a half-memory of Wings making some kind of cameo appearance in David Essex' performance in the same edition (a brief jokey cutaway or two miming backing vocals or something). Is this correct? How far back did McCartney initiate a policy of obtaining copies of his TV work? Was it a matter of course and written into his contract or something by '73 or so? |
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Post by Laurence Piper on Nov 14, 2005 9:17:26 GMT
Further to the above, I wonder if McCartney has a copy of his "My Love" TOTP appearance from '73 (as well as "Junior's Farm")? I don't have the info to hand right now but I seem to remember that was Wings' earliest appearance on the show - and is officially missing, of course! Wonder how one would go about checking with Macca? I know he has the promo film for the song (which is quite TOTP-ish anyway) but if he actually still had the studio appearance itself, it would be a welcome one to retrieve for the archives.
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Post by Dale Rumbold on Nov 14, 2005 15:57:03 GMT
Incidentally, I have a half-memory of Wings making some kind of cameo appearance in David Essex' performance in the same edition (a brief jokey cutaway or two miming backing vocals or something). Is this correct? As I recall they sang/mimed "I don't think so" at the appropriate place of Essex singing "Gonna make you a star" i.e. "oh is he more, so much more than a pretty face" : "I don't think so". |
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Post by Keith Brockway on Nov 14, 2005 16:19:14 GMT
Further to the above, I wonder if McCartney has a copy of his "My Love" TOTP appearance from '73 (as well as "Junior's Farm")? I don't have the info to hand right now but I seem to remember that was Wings' earliest appearance on the show - and is officially missing, of course! Wonder how one would go about checking with Macca? I know he has the promo film for the song (which is quite TOTP-ish anyway) but if he actually still had the studio appearance itself, it would be a welcome one to retrieve for the archives. Dale has beaten me to it. I remember the Wings 'intervention' in the 'I don`t fink so' part of David Essex`s "Gonna Make You A Star" when David was on his 3 week residency in the #1 spot. The other 2 weeks 'interventions' came courtesy of The Goodies & Mud. |
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Post by John Stewart Miller on Nov 17, 2005 23:57:51 GMT
This is what I was wondering about Dave. My memory suggests theres a snippet of a performance of 'Judy teen' with the original Harley gear from something; maybe not TOTP but that looks like it; on a 1980s BBC programme. Obviously this won't be listed as a separate item in itself, but maybe on 'Pop Quiz's own index, if there is such a thing! 'Record collector' definitely published some kind of find that consisted of a TOTP insert reel, mid 1990s. The date was from 1974 - 75 and I'm sure it listed 'Mr Soft' as one of the tracks, unless I'm quoting another source. I think the reel was supposed to include some thing like David Essex's hit 'lamplight', which has since been utilized in TV retrospects. This is quite a weird thing as i`m quite sure i`ve seen TOTP snippets of performances that are officially wiped and are not known to be with any foreign station as in the 'Disco' clips. One`s that spring to mind are "Horse With No Name" by America (January 1972) , "Stuck In The Middle With You" by Stealers Wheel (May/June 1973) and both "Judy Teen"& "Mr Soft" by Cockney Rebel (May & August 1974 respectively). They all could possibly be from some other programme with a similar set up to TOTP at the time, but has anybody else seen these or anything similar. I know the Wings performance of "Junior`s Farm" from November 1974 has been verified as seen, but not on any listings anywhere, so i`m wondering where these clips would have come from. Can anyone shed any light here? You took the words right out my mouth Keith! The America clip was shown in an 80s retrospect as was I think the 'stuck in the middle', where Gerry Rafferty is centre stage with an acoustic, camera I think panning round the band. I saw it in colour so must have been post 1978. I think the America clip used may have been BBC 'in concert' 1973. The Stealers wheel I think is on either a known complete but unused edition from August - September 1973 or production material. I know listings have mentioned unused TOTP material from the period. |
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Post by Keith Brockway on Nov 18, 2005 7:42:20 GMT
The most known unused TOTP performance to survive is Albert Hammond`s "It Never Rains In Southern California" which can be downloaded fron the 'Disco' clips. It was obviously recorded around the February 1973 time as the TOTP backdrop is the same as the ELO "Roll Over Beethoven" & Thin Lizzy "Whiskey In The Jar" surviving performances (1/2/73 edition). Bonus is that the Albert Hammond clip is good quality colour as well.
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Post by Laurence Piper on Nov 18, 2005 14:37:53 GMT
'stuck in the middle', where Gerry Rafferty is centre stage with an acoustic, camera I think panning round the band. I saw it in colour so must have been post 1978. The Stealers wheel I think is on either a known complete but unused edition from August - September 1973 or production material. I know listings have mentioned unused TOTP material from the period. Having myself compiled and researched a lot of the info for the BBC'c TOTP database, I didn't come across any existing editions or footage from that time featuring Stealer's Wheel. I also remember seeing this colour TOTP-style studio clip of them doing Stuck In The Middle (more than likely on an '80s Pop Quiz) with Gerry sitting on a stool playing guitar (miming, I think). No idea where this comes from though - it's a real puzzle. Maybe Mike Read again?!? Is Andrew Martin reading this? Can you possibly narrow down where this clip may be from, Andrew (if it is a BBC clip, that is)? |
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Post by John Stewart Miller on Nov 23, 2005 21:31:05 GMT
This is quite a weird thing as i`m quite sure i`ve seen TOTP snippets of performances that are officially wiped and are not known to be with any foreign station as in the 'Disco' clips. One`s that spring to mind are "Horse With No Name" by America (January 1972) , "Stuck In The Middle With You" by Stealers Wheel (May/June 1973) and both "Judy Teen"& "Mr Soft" by Cockney Rebel (May & August 1974 respectively). They all could possibly be from some other programme with a similar set up to TOTP at the time, but has anybody else seen these or anything similar. I know the Wings performance of "Junior`s Farm" from November 1974 has been verified as seen, but not on any listings anywhere, so i`m wondering where these clips would have come from. Can anyone shed any light here? You took the words right out my mouth Keith! The America clip was shown in an 80s retrospect as was I think the 'stuck in the middle', where Gerry Rafferty is centre stage with an acoustic, camera I think panning round the band. I saw it in colour so must have been post 1978. I think the America clip used may have been BBC 'in concert' 1973. The Stealers wheel I think is on either a known complete but unused edition from August - September 1973 or production material. I know listings have mentioned unused TOTP material from the period. Just to add - The sequence I saw I'm sure was a TOTP retrospect prior to the one everyone else seems to know or have taped (86 - 87 with 'turn it on again' Genesis). In this, Cat Stevens appeared (clips); 'Moonshadow' and 'Morning has broken', then the America 'horse with no name'. I thought at the time these were what I'd seen on TOTP, Jan. 72. Live with the band or artist propped on a Val Doonican stool with the audience dancing round the stage. Same format with the 'Stealers wheel clip' which was almost definitely TOTP and I've seen it twice in the 1980s. The Cat Stevens could well be 'In concert' as this looks almost identical to the TOTP appearence from memory. The 'Morning has broken' similar. Of this cut though, only European and U.S. concert clips exist. America were sitting down on the TOTP appearence. They stand on 'In concert' of which the perormance is almost identical to the record and TOTP version. It's very similar though. There was a third TOTP retrospect which also seemed to show missing clips. ('85 - '86). |
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Post by Laurence Piper on Nov 24, 2005 11:52:36 GMT
Are you sure it was in one of those retrospectives and not Pop Quiz, John? I taped some of those TOTP anniversary shows myself but quickly wiped almost all of them as I found them to contain nothing very interesting (just the usual clips that get recycled). I'd like to get to the bottom of these puzzles though - particularly with regard to the Stuck In The Middle and Judy Teen clips and also See Emily Play and Jean Jeanie! We know what we saw but so far it hasn't been clearly established what the original sources for these clips were.
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Post by John Stewart Miller on Dec 1, 2005 1:06:34 GMT
Are you sure it was in one of those retrospectives and not Pop Quiz, John? I taped some of those TOTP anniversary shows myself but quickly wiped almost all of them as I found them to contain nothing very interesting (just the usual clips that get recycled). I'd like to get to the bottom of these puzzles though - particularly with regard to the Stuck In The Middle and Judy Teen clips and also See Emily Play and Jean Jeanie! We know what we saw but so far it hasn't been clearly established what the original sources for these clips were. I seem to think some of what I saw was part of a quite long TOTP retrospect around 1984 (Sweet, 10cc etc). There were so many sequences at once, must have been. |
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Post by Brian McNeil on Feb 1, 2006 20:22:21 GMT
It's really sad that 'Judy Teen' & 'Mr Soft' don't exist in the BBC archive as i think they were Cockney Rebel's 2 best songs.
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Post by Stephen Doran on Feb 2, 2006 8:35:49 GMT
It's really sad that 'Judy Teen' & 'Mr Soft' don't exist in the BBC archive as i think they were Cockney Rebel's 2 best songs. i agree brian. |
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