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Post by Simon Winters on Mar 10, 2005 16:46:14 GMT
This week, Channel 4 have yet again broadcast clips of the Today interview with the Sex Pistols.
Does anyone know if the complete interview - or the complete edition the Today episode - has ever been released commercially?
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Post by John G on Mar 10, 2005 21:53:01 GMT
It has always puzzled me why it was recorded in the first place? and if it was recorded why was it shown ? Today was a live daily show in the days of 2 ' recordings . To say it was recorded for legal reasons would have meant Thames having recording space stretching to Brighton I shouldnt wonder.
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Post by ct on Mar 11, 2005 21:56:38 GMT
I have the interview itself fully un-cut (for some reason one of Grundy's asides seems to often be removed - I can't remember the exact wording just something innocuous like "you're winding me up") and the full end credit sequence which is shortened in 'The Filth...'. When the show was transmitted there was an earlier intro sequence where Grundy said something like "The Sex Pistols. Their disgusting! See them later on!" but this I don't think has survived. The Pistols camp did have a video at their disposal though this is unlikely to be the source of the broadcasted versions. I do have film of Cook and Matlock watching their copy of the Grundy interview itself on their machine c.76/77.
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Post by Gary Critcher on Mar 12, 2005 12:50:21 GMT
'It has always puzzled me why it was recorded in the first place? and if it was recorded why was it shown ? Today was a live daily show in the days of 2 ' recordings . To say it was recorded for legal reasons would have meant Thames having recording space stretching to Brighton I shouldn't wonder.' Why on Earth not?? It was a topical, up to date programme, so deserved recording, I think. FYI: did you know that up to about 1982, the BBC recorded every edition of 'Wogan' on 2" tape
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Post by Dan on Mar 12, 2005 15:13:32 GMT
When the show was transmitted there was an earlier intro sequence where Grundy said something like "The Sex Pistols. Their disgusting! See them later on!" but this I don't think has survived. It has survived. It was shown including the intro on some show a few years back. The Pistols camp did have a video at their disposal though this is unlikely to be the source of the broadcasted versions. I've got a copy of "Sex Pistols Number One", a short movie they released, which includes the Grundy interview. They appear to have been made their copy of the interview by filming it off screen with a movie camera, so it won't be the source of the broadcast versions. At least up until a few years ago (I assume it's still the case) you were able to watch videos in little viewing booths at the Bradford Film & TV Museum. If you watched an episode of a music show (Revolver, possibly), it had the entire Grundy interview including intro tucked away at the end.
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Post by ct on Mar 13, 2005 2:03:13 GMT
It has survived. It was shown including the intro on some show a few years back. I've got a copy of "Sex Pistols Number One", a short movie they released, which includes the Grundy interview. They appear to have been made their copy of the interview by filming it off screen with a movie camera, so it won't be the source of the broadcast versions. Sex Pistols Number One wasn't a product of the Pistols inner-circle - It was an independent effort by Derek Jarman who I don't think was an insider though I may well be wrong. Jarman frequently filmed material directly from the television. I think that whole project originated in their appearance at an Alternative Miss. World which Jarman was present at and filmed as a matter of course. Incidentally is it the 'Buried Alive' film you're refering to re Sex Pistols Number One? I have a copy of a film by that name which seems to be SP1 but is bracketed with these Buried Alive titles - always intrigued me. The Pistols personal copy of the Grundy interview was definitely recorded via home video though you may well be right about the survival of the intro - are you sure you don't mean the actual introduction of the interview itself (wherein they are introduced, it cuts to performance footage and then back to the studio.) Most re-runs of the material do begin at the point of return to the studio and lose this intro but I'm referring to much earlier in the programme in a sort of 'later this evening' moment. Grundy antagonised the band by describing them in the manner of a circus act that would be wheeled out later - tempers were frayed before the interview proper.
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Post by Dan on Mar 13, 2005 4:37:21 GMT
...are you sure you don't mean the actual introduction of the interview itself (wherein they are introduced, it cuts to performance footage and then back to the studio.) Ah yes you're right. "They are punk rockers. The new craze they tell me. They are our heroes, not the nice clean rolling stones. You see they are as drunk as I am. They are clean by comparison. They are a group called the sex pistols, and I'm surrounded now by all of them. Just let us see the sex pistols in action. Come on chicks let's..." (footage of "No Fun" filmed at Notre Dame Hall, Leicester Square 15.11.76 taken from "The London Weekend Show" 28.11.76) Then the interview we all know and love! As for Sex Pistols Number One having an alternate title of Buried Alive. I've never heard of Buried Alive, that's a new one on me. There was also another movie "Number Two??" featuring the Thames boat trip as seen in Swindle.
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Post by Wright Blan on Mar 14, 2005 3:26:38 GMT
Ah yes you're right. "They are punk rockers. The new craze they tell me. They are our heroes, not the nice clean rolling stones. You see they are as drunk as I am. They are clean by comparison. They are a group called the sex pistols, and I'm surrounded now by all of them. Just let us see the sex pistols in action. Come on chicks let's..." (footage of "No Fun" filmed at Notre Dame Hall, Leicester Square 15.11.76 taken from "The London Weekend Show" 28.11.76) Then the interview we all know and love! As for Sex Pistols Number One having an alternate title of Buried Alive. I've never heard of Buried Alive, that's a new one on me. There was also another movie "Number Two??" featuring the Thames boat trip as seen in Swindle. Uh, does "number one" and "number two" have the same meaning in the UK as it does in the US? If not, don't worry about it, cause i'm not sure I can explain it here!
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Post by Wright Blan on Mar 14, 2005 4:12:14 GMT
Uh, sorry for the double post. But, i thought i had better explain that if what I asked was true, was it a deliberate double entendre, or just a truly Jungian coincidence?
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Post by ct on Mar 14, 2005 18:45:58 GMT
As for Sex Pistols Number One having an alternate title of Buried Alive. I've never heard of Buried Alive, that's a new one on me. There was also another movie "Number Two??" featuring the Thames boat trip as seen in Swindle. This is totally from memory as without rooting through the tapes I can't be absolutely certain but Buried Alive was released on video in the US whether officially or not I don't know. It starts with the video title "Buried Alive" overdubbed with a telephone call between Sid Vicious and Rodney Bingenheimer which took place just prior to the US 'tour' (some of this conversation is used in The Filth & The Fury). It then cuts to what is almost certainly Sex Pistols No.1 in it's entirity but then cuts to extremely rare footage of Sid briefly describing his musical tastes "At 12 I was a skinhead. At 15 I was a mod" something like that. The Thames film I also have but I've never heard it described as "Sex Pistols No.2" except on one bootleg list. I presume it was shot by Julian Temple not Jarman so other than both featuring the Pistols there's no real connection between the two. The latter is really nothing more than a home movie whereas the former has some artistic pretensions. Some of the most interesting film footage I have from this era is Sid, Nancy and Stiv Bators from the Dead Boys on a Manhatten Cable TV phone-in show very shortly before Nancy died. It's total mindless fun but Sid comes over as a slightly messed-up though likeable witty kid not the f**kwit of popular myth.
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Post by Carl Gustav on Mar 14, 2005 23:53:12 GMT
Uh, sorry for the double post. But, i thought i had better explain that if what I asked was true, was it a deliberate double entendre, or just a truly Jungian coincidence? Since when's numerical order been a Jungian coincidence exactly???
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Post by Wright Blan on Mar 15, 2005 4:01:25 GMT
Since when's numerical order been a Jungian coincidence exactly??? Uh, let's just say that "number one" and "number two" are slang for certain bodily functions. Or at least the products of such. I hope you can see where I'm getting at here.
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Post by carl gustav on Mar 15, 2005 15:01:18 GMT
So what's that got to do with anything? You want to see a psychiatrist mate!
What's your take on Rocky 3? ;D
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Post by Wright Blan on Mar 16, 2005 2:09:13 GMT
So what's that got to do with anything? You want to see a psychiatrist mate! What's your take on Rocky 3? ;D Just take the title "Sex Pistols No.1" and "Sex Pistols No.2" and change them to "Sex Pistols ***" and "Sex Pistols: S***". Enjoy the irony. (And sorry for the crassness, but I tried to be as polite as possible)
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Post by ct on Mar 16, 2005 11:36:25 GMT
I think your arguements clear enough to everyone but it makes no sense at all. Firstly why single out these films as the above poster says, any film with a sequel is going to be Number Two??? Are you just latching on to the idea that one film is referred to as 'Number Two' say instead of just 2, which I don't think it is anyway. It's an artistic standard to label works in a series thus, and Jarman certainly considered himself a filmic artist. The only faint glimmer of an idea I can see in you're arguement is that your referring to the numbers in relation to the name of the band "Sex Pistols'(ie. the fireman) in which case you'd be better served joining a cultural studies forum or something similar. I really don't know why I got involved in this discussion- shall we drop this now?
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