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Post by John R on Jan 1, 2004 2:28:29 GMT
Am I right in thinking that a VT copy of this turned up recently, in the quad-archiving project? Was it the final version or an earlier edit (I'm pretty sure I read it was an early example of preparing a rough edit on tape)?
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Post by Steve Roberts on Jan 1, 2004 18:52:54 GMT
Yes, I found the tapes in a corridor awaiting disposal, after an office clearout!
After looking at them and talking to various people who had been there a long time, we discovered that it was essentially an 'offline edit' of the programme - and we think it might well be the BBC's first ever offline edit, perhaps even the world's first!
The original recordings had been dubbed using the quad's RF Dub facility (which effectively copies the tapes as directly as possible, without converting back to baseband video) onto a new set of tapes and these new tapes had been the ones that were initially edited - remember that tapes were physically cut-edited in those days. Once the director and editor were happy with the edit, they made the same edits to the original tapes, thus minimising the possibility of damaging the original recordings due to changing their minds, having to rejoin and re-edit sections etc.
As far as I'm aware, the tapes were sent to Windmill Road and then to BBC Heritage.
Steve
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Post by Andy Henderson on Jan 2, 2004 14:36:43 GMT
Steve, do you remember Mike's audio of the continuity for that broadcast? Think Christine Slattery took that for copying. Pity it couldn't be used and added to a reconstructed version of the play. Seems almost a fluke that it survives, particularly as virtually the first tape o/b location drama. I think the trailer was on that audio tape too. Sound quality was quite good.
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Post by John R on Jan 2, 2004 16:15:10 GMT
Ta for explaining that. It was the clip of Michael Caine on 'Before They Were Famous' that made me think about it (I was only watching the show for archive clips, honest!). Are there any sections of the play that only survive on the telerecording, or is it virtually as broadcast on the tapes (I'm guessing they were 405 line tapes now digitally converted to 625)?
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Post by Alan a Dale on Jan 2, 2004 21:20:28 GMT
Can one of the folks here tell me what year this production comes from? What's the story behind the tape?
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Post by Andy Henderson on Jan 2, 2004 21:34:14 GMT
I thought Steve had explained that! A quick inyternet search would also reveal the year (1964).
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Post by Steve Roberts on Jan 3, 2004 13:42:06 GMT
Ta for explaining that. It was the clip of Michael Caine on 'Before They Were Famous' that made me think about it (I was only watching the show for archive clips, honest!). Are there any sections of the play that only survive on the telerecording, or is it virtually as broadcast on the tapes (I'm guessing they were 405 line tapes now digitally converted to 625)? It was my understanding that the original transmitted version still survives on VT, therefore the 'off-lines' were only of academic interest. Certainly when I looked at the VT holdings, there were tapes of the TX version in the library... although I suppose it's possible that they are transfers from the FR copies. Steve |
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Post by Mark T on Jan 4, 2004 19:14:58 GMT
I used a clip from this years ago on a LWT show called "The Trouble wih Michael Caine" - at that time, it was a 35mm tele-recording I got access to with a reel missing as someone at Pebble Mill had neglected to send it back, so I would think that any VTR holdings at Windmill Road are indeed tele-cines of these 35mm.
The films looked cracking though and with a great cast - perfect candidate for Vidfire!
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