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Post by Anthony Harvison on Nov 14, 2003 16:02:00 GMT
;D I would like to be the first to announce that a classic missing episode of Not Only...But Also has been discoverd.
I am a journalist and working on a lead I dicovered the episode below, in America!
20/03/65 Peter Sellers
T-Bone Walker Boxer-cum-Painter
Pete and Dud – Superstitions
The Gourmets
Musical items: T-Bone Walker (Hey Baby, Goodbye Baby)
Dudley Moore Trio (I Love You Samantha)
I have been in contact with the New York Museum of Television and Radio as well as Dick Fiddy of the BFI and am glad to report that the BBC are now making arrangements for this priceless piece of 60s TV to come back to Britain in the next few months.
The episode is complete and so hopefully we can all soon be enjoying another slice of Pete and Dud's comic genius!
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Post by William Martin on Nov 14, 2003 16:40:28 GMT
you are hereby elected king for a day
the best of whats now has a wider choice
was this at the NY museum? museums are a good starting point for video as well, most have a few boxes of tapes and cassettes in store that came with the video machines they have on display
this looks like a very good episode perhaps the peter sellars connection was the reason for its survival?
now that more and more of these sources are being opened up perhaps there will be more finds
what can I say this is... nice ;D
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Post by Anthony Harvison on Nov 14, 2003 16:54:52 GMT
Seems the BBC actually donated the episode to the museum back in the 80s. Whether they blundered and gave the only copy(!) or took it for duplication and then went and lost/misfiled it, is not clear.
There are apparently another two episodes of NOBA at the museum: one is already held by the Beeb but i've yet to hear about the other one.
I will keep everybody informed!
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Post by William Martin on Nov 14, 2003 17:26:14 GMT
anything else per chance other programs top of the pops dr who etc?
keep up the very good work
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Post by Adam Duncan on Nov 14, 2003 18:54:39 GMT
I'm extremly glad to hear this. I hope BBC4 will make a last minute addition to their archive tv night. Or perhaps a premiere at MBW...
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Post by Geoff on Nov 14, 2003 20:10:07 GMT
Ohhhh myyy godddd!  This is the best news all year...all century...I need to calm down I think. Perhaps this might kick the BBCs butt into gear to release a new ALL of whats left of NOBA, instead of constantly re-releasing that compilation. If only they could get over the problem with the 1966 Boxing Day show (is it Yoko blocking it?...they showed an earlier sketch featuring Lennon) Pleeease let us know as soon as there is news about the other episode...I am a bit excited about this news (as you might have noticed) ;D |
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Post by David Buck on Nov 14, 2003 23:09:51 GMT
I'm delighted to hear about this recovery - and i'd like to congratulate you on persevering on this one - I remember a few suggestions when you posted before about this that it was likely to be a mis-identified copy of one of the know existing episodes
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Post by Alan Hayes on Nov 15, 2003 0:26:22 GMT
Terrific news! I wish I'd read this tomorrow morning. I'm not going to be able to sleep now!
Let's hope that other episode is also one the BBC doesn't hold.
Well done, Anthony!
Best,
Alan
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Post by Laurence Piper on Nov 15, 2003 2:52:55 GMT
Yes, great news. Keep us posted! I wish we could find a few editions of the 1970 colour series now as well..
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Post by Geoff 2 on Nov 17, 2003 9:34:39 GMT
An incredible find. NOBA seemed to have been wiped so thoroughly (for the second series, just about contemporarily if I remember correctly) that - combined with the relatively small number of episodes produced and its relative obscurity today - recoveries appeared a distant hope, though last year we had the Australian shows confirmed. Though the second series is missing the most, and much of the best material, the thrill of this find (episode six) is that not only does it have Sellers on board, but also (ho ho) this is one of the three missing episodes of the programme for which even the scripts were destroyed. So though we have cursory information as to what was in them, largely thanks to the guest star publicity shots, production staff reminiscence and the LP, there must be at least one sketch in this episode which is TEXT, and has not been seen since the fading memories of the viewers of the original transmition.
Obviously, then, waiting to find out about the other tape is nerve-wracking. My question for Anthony is about the episode identified as being previously held by the BBC, for the simple reason that if it is also a 45-minute entry from 1965, then the chances go up of the remaining show being either 1.5 (four of the series proper) or the last, with Eric Sykes. More productively, the copy the BBC holds of the second episode proper (06/02/65) is definitely missing the end of one sketch (Streeb-Greebling at the tailor) and may well be missing the next sketch entirely (the Great War doco parody). So even this existing show would be an invaluable retrieval.
Well done on the all the good work. Let us just hope the Beeb actually puts it out there for us to see it - maybe the Sellers connection might tip their hand.
G
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Post by Geoff 2 on Nov 17, 2003 10:38:58 GMT
Substitute "entirely missing" for 'TEXT'.
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Post by Laurence Piper on Nov 17, 2003 12:37:12 GMT
Does anyone here have an ep guide of NOBA which includes an updated list of all surviving material? It's something i'm short of. Thanks.
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Post by William on Nov 17, 2003 23:37:28 GMT
Laurence,
The listing on the main page is as complete as you'll find anywhere. The only things to point out are that in 1.2, the sketch "Menswear Shop" is the Streeb-Greebling which is missing the end, and we don't know with any certainty about the Great War, except that it does exist as an off-air audio recording. The hard thing is that as long as the BBC remains so cagy about its archive holdings - or does some proper research itself - we can only go by often unreliable or second-hand sources on shows like NOBA.
As for the recently discovered show, though we can assume the inclusion of Superstitions, Boxer-cum-Painter and The Gourmets, there must be at least one new sketch (and probably two - one film, one studio-bound quickie, and probably a non-Pete or Dud monologue from a guest comedian) that, because the scripts were destroyed, will be completely new to us. That's the really exciting part.
Otherwise, the list up here is the place to go (I believe that the listing came from the Peter Cook Appreciation Society - a fine association, incidentally - and, originally, from notes by comedy author/analyst Roger Wilmut).
Hope this helps,
William from NZ
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Post by Anthony Harvison on Nov 18, 2003 11:46:02 GMT
The other episode so far located is dated 23. 01. 65 (with Goldie and the Gingerbreads), not the one with the Great War, i'm afraid.
The listings for the recovered episode i've been given are:
Pilot Introduction, T-Bone, Paintboxing, Jazz Interval, Tea-time conversation, The Gourmets and Goodbyee.
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Post by Laurence Piper on Nov 18, 2003 13:19:05 GMT
Thanks for reminding me about that main page NOBA listing, William! I had forgotten about that as I haven't looked at it for some time (I come straight to the forum usually and so pass it by!)
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