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Post by stevehoare61 on Nov 7, 2023 8:03:44 GMT
I think there is a market for it. Maybe not on the scale that Network had assumed, though at its peak that was a wonderfull outlet. The BBC simply needs to stream it or show it as fillers on BBC4 or BBC3, theres an audience for everything somewhere and it would keep people searching for material, show that there is a payoff at the end as we all get to see these things. Sykes etc will always be funny, kids will always love Basil Brush, the animated Dads Army and Dr Who's will always find a market .
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Post by John Wall on Nov 7, 2023 11:31:17 GMT
There is the question of rights. If something is available free, such as on iPlayer, that provides an alternative to something new. The Carry Ons made millions, but the cast got thousands - there is still some resentment.
This all needs carefully thinking through imho.
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Post by Ryan Handley on Dec 11, 2023 19:52:38 GMT
Came across this recently, there was no info on what this was beyond being "very important" cans of film. Saw the BBC and Australia so my mind went wild and wanted to share this here. Unfortunately this is far beyond saving, and exactly why we can't sit on these forever.
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Post by markperry on Dec 11, 2023 21:37:31 GMT
These folk are determined to keep tabs on their nitrate stock, makes you wonder if normal film needs that attention once in a blue moon. m.youtube.com/watch?v=FgIB-dwf0K4
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Post by Peter Stirling on Dec 12, 2023 18:50:01 GMT
These folk are determined to keep tabs on their nitrate stock, makes you wonder if normal film needs that attention once in a blue moon. m.youtube.com/watch?v=FgIB-dwf0K4The cheapest and easiest form of film (or tape) preservation is to fast forward it and rewind it occasionally..let it breathe, having it bound on reels forgotten for years does it no good at all it starts to die.
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Post by Ryan Handley on Dec 13, 2023 18:00:15 GMT
I don't know if that archive does it, but I know others reverse the wind, emulsion-out to base-out etc. for the same reasons.
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Post by garygraham on Dec 14, 2023 5:52:12 GMT
So many different things can happen. The 16mm separate magnetic tape tracks for some of my films are now oozing adhesive from the tape splices. Those being the prepared tracks that were then mixed into a final mixed track that doesn't have any splices in it. I don't know how often TV companies kept the prepared soundtracks? They were probably junked in most cases.
It's only an issue if I wanted to remix the audio. However news reports and low budget segments that were shot on reversal film will have tape splices in the picture.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Dec 14, 2023 11:43:35 GMT
One thing to note is how discoveries have changed in recent years....
When I started doing this in the latter part of the 2000s, and I hadnae got a Scooby of what I was doing I took advice from a lot of people; this was also around the time youtube started.
A particular gent told me my discoveries were all 'rubbish' as they were on digital and not the original film/video tape.
So for around six months I contacted uploaders to ask if they could send the original film/tape to whichever respective archive was appropriate. Most didn't reply. A significant percentage had disposed of the original film/tape for varying reasons and the digital copy was all that existed. I think there was only one case in which the actual film was returned.
Anyway, I went back to the gent who was giving me advice and said 'look, most of these uploaders have disposed of the original film/tape, what do I do?'. He still maintained digital files were 'not good enough'. So I sent back a polite, but very sarcastic missive saying that should I ever find a Doctor Who and it was on a digital format only because the owner had transferred their film/tape because it was decaying, I'd take his advice word-for-word, reject it as 'rubbish' and bin it.
He blocked me.
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Post by richardwoods on Dec 14, 2023 14:55:56 GMT
One thing to note is how discoveries have changed in recent years.... When I started doing this in the latter part of the 2000s, and I hadnae got a Scooby of what I was doing I took advice from a lot of people; this was also around the time youtube started. A particular gent told me my discoveries were all 'rubbish' as they were on digital and not the original film/video tape. So for around six months I contacted uploaders to ask if they could send the original film/tape to whichever respective archive was appropriate. Most didn't reply. A significant percentage had disposed of the original film/tape for varying reasons and the digital copy was all that existed. I think there was only one case in which the actual film was returned. Anyway, I went back to the gent who was giving me advice and said 'look, most of these uploaders have disposed of the original film/tape, what do I do?'. He still maintained digital files were 'not good enough'. So I sent back a polite, but very sarcastic missive saying that should I ever find a Doctor Who and it was on a digital format only because the owner had transferred their film/tape because it was decaying, I'd take his advice word-for-word, reject it as 'rubbish' and bin it. He blocked me. That reminds me of my call to the BBC Treasure Hunt. “Yes, the radio programs you have are missing from the archive, but because they aren’t recorded at professional speed (15 IPS) and the content will no longer be suitable for broadcast, we don’t want them”. Not bad for missing children’s radio broadcasts recorded in high quality off FM.
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Post by sonnybh on Dec 14, 2023 21:23:34 GMT
Some "At The BBC" compilations have been sourced from off air copies because the BBC junked the original tapes, so there is some use for them.
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Post by garygraham on Dec 15, 2023 9:02:36 GMT
And yet they will broadcast recordings that were made on Shibaden video recorders. "Broadcast quality" is all relative. The microphones and audio recording equipment of the 1940s were hardly broadcast quality compared to the standards of the 1970s. A well made and preserved VHS recording might be quite good whereas a bad one that has been transferred to DVD won't be. The audio of some broadcast programmes has been restored from off-air VHS tapes.
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