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Post by John Green on Oct 3, 2024 17:46:18 GMT
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Post by Vaughan Stanger on Oct 4, 2024 9:26:40 GMT
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Post by T Morgan on Oct 5, 2024 14:14:37 GMT
Good news. More finds from the David Moore collection.
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Post by T Morgan on Oct 5, 2024 14:29:03 GMT
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Post by Peter Stirling on Oct 5, 2024 15:07:57 GMT
The IMDB for Man who wouldn't talk states a UK transmission 8/4/60 while Man with two left hands states a US transmission, as far as I can see (IMDB sometimes thinks it knows what country you are from and gives the data from that country) You are right the UK transmission was 27/5/60
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Post by T Morgan on Oct 5, 2024 15:47:42 GMT
IMDb says the United Kingdom air date for The Man Who Wouldn’t Talk was 11 November 1959. I can’t see the 1960 date at the link I posted. BBC Programme Index also has the 1960 date. genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/c71e763ce00a43baa4769091931cc55cThe BBC PI also agrees with the dates from FiF for the other episode: genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/238a25b0dba04725b6e90cb30302c742The Third Man: Man With Two Left Hands (Broadcast: 27th May 1960) IMDb says the TX date was 3 November 1959. IMDb does actually specify this date was for the US transmission.
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Post by John Green on Oct 5, 2024 16:02:57 GMT
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Post by T Morgan on Oct 5, 2024 16:16:29 GMT
Thanks, that seems to clarify that the different air dates do indeed in relate to UK and US transmissions.
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Post by T Morgan on Oct 14, 2024 14:53:33 GMT
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Post by robkeeley on Oct 18, 2024 10:42:08 GMT
Film is Fabulous have just confirmed on X that the better-quality copy of Dad's Army: The Battle for Godfrey's Cottage has the same final scene edit as the version recovered in 2001 and currently repeated. x.com/filmisfabulous/status/1846966221880881196I do find it odd that a meticulous producer like David Croft would have let an episode be broadcast with such a clunky edit, particularly when that section was scripted to resolve the plot. Isn't it more likely that the original tape was damaged or faulty at that point when a negative was made for BBC Enterprises and so that section was removed (and so both prints would have missing material too)? Repeating below what I said in my last post about this, with apologies, as it didn't post properly: You know these things far better than I, but it seems odd that part of the final scene of The Battle for Godfrey's Cottage would be deliberately cut for broadcast as it brings the ARP Warden into the scene and his dialogue resolves the plot! As repeated/released today, the Warden seems to appear from nowhere and the reason for the church bells ringing is never given. It would be interesting to know the truth of this. While not conclusive on its own, I have the original script of the episode beside me (published in Dad's Army: The Lost Episodes by Virgin in 1998, prior to this episode and 'Operation Kilt' being recovered) and the missing material runs as follows (at p.58). Mainwaring is written as MAIN throughout. (THE A.R.P. WARDEN BURSTS INTO THE ROOM) WARDEN Who's in charge here? Oh, I might have guessed. I'm going to get you good and proper this time. Light streaming all over the road, what's the idea, eh? Good job I was passing on my way home. MAIN What are you going home for, there's an invasion on? WARDEN What are you talking about? MAIN The church bells, of course. WARDEN That was a false alarm, we've been stood down for ages. This dialogue is also in the radio version of the episode. If both prints have this missing, could it be instead that the original tape was damaged or faulty at that point when the film recording(s) came to be made? And could this be the reason for apparently missing material from 'Shooting Pains' as well? As a Dad's Army fan, I'd be fascinated to know. Rob
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Post by Peter Stirling on Oct 18, 2024 12:02:39 GMT
Film is Fabulous have just confirmed on X that the better-quality copy of Dad's Army: The Battle for Godfrey's Cottage has the same final scene edit as the version recovered in 2001 and currently repeated. x.com/filmisfabulous/status/1846966221880881196I do find it odd that a meticulous producer like David Croft would have let an episode be broadcast with such a clunky edit, particularly when that section was scripted to resolve the plot. Isn't it more likely that the original tape was damaged or faulty at that point when a negative was made for BBC Enterprises and so that section was removed (and so both prints would have missing material too)? Repeating below what I said in my last post about this, with apologies, as it didn't post properly: You know these things far better than I, but it seems odd that part of the final scene of The Battle for Godfrey's Cottage would be deliberately cut for broadcast as it brings the ARP Warden into the scene and his dialogue resolves the plot! As repeated/released today, the Warden seems to appear from nowhere and the reason for the church bells ringing is never given. It would be interesting to know the truth of this. While not conclusive on its own, I have the original script of the episode beside me (published in Dad's Army: The Lost Episodes by Virgin in 1998, prior to this episode and 'Operation Kilt' being recovered) and the missing material runs as follows (at p.58). Mainwaring is written as MAIN throughout. (THE A.R.P. WARDEN BURSTS INTO THE ROOM) WARDEN Who's in charge here? Oh, I might have guessed. I'm going to get you good and proper this time. Light streaming all over the road, what's the idea, eh? Good job I was passing on my way home. MAIN What are you going home for, there's an invasion on? WARDEN What are you talking about? MAIN The church bells, of course. WARDEN That was a false alarm, we've been stood down for ages. This dialogue is also in the radio version of the episode. If both prints have this missing, could it be instead that the original tape was damaged or faulty at that point when the film recording(s) came to be made? And could this be the reason for apparently missing material from 'Shooting Pains' as well? As a Dad's Army fan, I'd be fascinated to know. Rob Dont know this episode .But perhaps something to consider is if the episode had been made on 405 lines or 625 lines VTR. If it was 405 lines a film recording would have been automatically made of a programme (which had legs) simply because the 405-line system was virtually incompatible with anything around the world...So this film recording presumably would be identical to the tape recording. If it was recorded on 625 lines then the film recording would have been an after thought..and would obviously have to be a copy of whatever had happened to the tape in the meantime.Although loads of countries had the 625 line system they may have requested a film copy that they could edit easy to suit local tastes or places like Australia a film recording was more reliable as tape was subject to adjusting to the climate difference.
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Post by robkeeley on Oct 18, 2024 12:47:17 GMT
Thanks Peter. The episode was broadcast in 1969 so I'm thinking it would have been a 625-line recording by then? And yes, if the tape was damaged or faulty that section of the scene could have been edited out of the film recording negative, as happened with one or two Doctor Who episodes. That seems far more likely to me than the episode having been first broadcast with such a glitch. Any subsequent prints, of which we now have two, would then also have the edit. So that backs up my theory! (And depressingly, would also mean there's no chance of ever recovering the missing material!) Thanks, Rob
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Post by John Green on Oct 18, 2024 18:10:25 GMT
I remember watching A Stripe for Fraser, but not this episode, that I know of. Perhaps something about the church bells, but it's a thing in other war films, and possibly other episodes of Dad's Army.
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Post by robkeeley on Oct 18, 2024 19:09:00 GMT
The false invasion alert was used in the (original, 1971) film of Dad's Army. The platoon itself caused another one when dressed as Germans in the 1975 episode Ring Dem Bells.
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Post by T Morgan on Oct 25, 2024 10:44:29 GMT
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