Accuracy of Lostshows.com database

[C Perry]

Hi

We are updating and correcting mistakes as we go along.

I have a call into the BFI about KIng of the Castle and they will get back to me when they have the results.

I have checked Vendetta on the website about 30 seconds ago and the listing for Vendetta shows all missing shows, but some doe xist, but the website will not show those of course, only the missing ones.

Fingers crossed the King of the Castle is positive, because ITV Leeds is trying to find a copy! :-)

c

[H Hartley]

C said:

Hi

We are updating and correcting mistakes as we go along.

I have a call into the BFI about KIng of the Castle and they will get back to me when they have the results.

I have checked Vendetta on the website about 30 seconds ago and the listing for Vendetta shows all missing shows, but some doe xist, but the website will not show those of course, only the missing ones.

Fingers crossed the King of the Castle is positive, because ITV Leeds is trying to find a copy! :-)

c

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no criticism of your site Chris !

just amazed the BBC could loose almost an entire well made film series.

[Ian K McLAchlan]

But Vendetta was made as a mixture of film and video tape wasn't it?

[doubleM]

Alistair said:

The HTV serial I've often puzzled over is The Georgian House - 1 and 3 and 7 ONLY exist from this as far as I know (and I've seen all three). Any more for any more?

The BFI database lists "King of the Castle" Ep 1,2,4,5,6 and 7
and "The Georgian House" "Look to the Future" and "New Recruits" - which are eps 7 and 1

Leaving aside the episodes that exist on domestic formats in private hands (ep 3 of each) ... this seems to confirm that the above episodes are those that exist - with the BFI holding everything of KOTC except 3. Match that with the private copy and you'd have KOTC complete.

As to "Georgian House" it certainly looks like only those 3 survive - unless someone knows better!

The BFI pages are:

ftvdb.bfi.org.uk/sift/series/33944

ftvdb.bfi.org.uk/sift/series/36868

[Andrew Martin]

Ian said:

But Vendetta was made as a mixture of film and video tape wasn't it?

Yes - the BBC didn't make any all-film series (not counting those it co-produced in the 50s and 60s) until "Target" in the 70s.

[h hartley]

Thanks Ian and Andrew.

that explains it then,
although i just about recall exotic locations

[Andrew Melling]

It must be a bit disheartening for people to keep pointing out mistakes, but I just couldn't help noting one last one!

The entry for the Douglas Wilmer Sherlock Holmes series lists only the Bruce-Partington Plans as missing. However, to quote Andrew Martin on this very forum on 1 September:

"Two episodes of the Douglas Wilmer series are incomplete - "The Abbey Grange" is missing the first reel of two, "The Bruce-Partington Plans" is missing the second reel of two. Technically "The Speckled Band" is incomplete, in that it was first transmitted in "Detective" and all episodes of that series (its first series) had an introduction by Rupert Davies (as Maigret) - the version that exists of "Speckled Band" has the "Sherlock Holmes" series titles and is minus the intro."

[Andrew Martin]

h said:

Thanks Ian and Andrew.

that explains it then,
although i just about recall exotic locations

There were indeed some exotic locations in it I think, as there were in the contemporary series "Mask of Janus"/"The Spies" and "The Troubleshooters" - in none of these did the foreign location shooting preclude VT studio sequences! That said, lots of ITC series were made on film but their exotic locations were all stock shots!

[KennyG]

Another incomplete series that does show up on LostShows is Monty Python's Flying Circus. Okay, all the episodes do exist but some are missing chunks due to censorship over the years.

At the moment, it only lists the Gravediggers episode (Series 2, Episode 13) as being incomplete and restored from a NTSC copy.

[C Perry]

I will correct the Douglas Wilmer bit, Andrew didnt spot that one when proofing our new Drama Guide.

Its impossible for us to elaborate on the Monty Python listing any further, I am totally confused as to what was cut from each show and the BBC list all theirs as complete except that Gravediggers show.

The cuts were made as early as 1970. Perhaps someone can email me a definitive list of what each show lost and I can try to add that into the listing somehow?

c

[Alistair McGown]

andrewmartin said:

There were indeed some exotic locations in it I think, as there were in the contemporary series "Mask of Janus"/"The Spies" and "The Troubleshooters" - in none of these did the foreign location shooting preclude VT studio sequences! That said, lots of ITC series were made on film but their exotic locations were all stock shots!

... and also in Rediffusion's CRANE and RIVIERA POLICE.

[C Perry]

Its confirmed, all bar ep 3 of King of the Castle now on digibeta. Just mislaid on the system for a while while the 2" stock was off the shelf being transferred.

c

[Paul Reid]

C said:

Its confirmed, all bar ep 3 of King of the Castle now on digibeta. Just mislaid on the system for a while while the 2" stock was off the shelf being transferred.

c

Great news! Hopefully a copy of the VHS of episode 3 in private hands will be made available to the archive to complete the story.

Would be even better if it then got a screening or a DVD release.

[Tish Hope]

ITV may wish to contact UK Gold as the final 13 ATV episodes and all of 1982 has been shown on UK Gold, including the New Year 1981 episode they're so keen to find.

[Paul Reid]

C said:

Its confirmed, all bar ep 3 of King of the Castle now on digibeta. Just mislaid on the system for a while while the 2" stock was off the shelf being transferred.

c

Just looking at the updated "King of the Castle" listing ... and it still lists eps 7 as only surviving on a domestic format.

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Missing or incomplete episodes for programme KING OF THE CASTLE.

23.05.77 Episode 3 (see below)
The only known complete copy is on a domestic video format (e.g. VHS, Beta, Philips 1500).
19.06.77 Episode 7 (see below)
The only known complete copy is on a domestic video format (e.g. VHS, Beta, Philips 1500).


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Could Chris perhaps confirm that it is only eps 3 in this situation .... or does eps 7 not survive on DigiBeta at the BFI?

Obviously hoping for the former ... perhaps the erroneous eps7 information could be updated if this is the case.