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Post by stevegerald on Mar 7, 2023 14:05:25 GMT
Interesting that the person whose site that is has credited Simeon D Carter for the information detailed in the 'Cliffhangers' section seeing as it appears to be, almost verbatim, the list I compiled and posted here some time ago in answer to a question Simeon asked: missingepisodes.proboards.com/post/86174/threadAh well. Yeah, that person doesn't have any insider info and is working with publicly available info, even if that site were still updating, they wouldn't have changed the audio section as neither Mark Ayres nor anyone in the known have given us any info about that, except for Power, as the SE is the only release of a serial included in the Randolph Tapes since they were found. |
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Post by stevegerald on Mar 7, 2023 14:37:29 GMT
Hence there are no fan recordings prior to 'Marco Polo'. Found Toby Hadoke mentioning an off-air recording for The Daleks Episode 3. |
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Post by George D on Mar 8, 2023 1:26:49 GMT
We're fortunate to have audios for all dr who episodes. wish the audio from other shows was preserved also.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Mar 8, 2023 9:16:59 GMT
Before Graham and David Holman's recordings came to light, the recordings that were going around in fan circles came from Richard Landen and James Russell, plus some Australian off-air recordings.
James very early recordings were actually made by John de Rivaz and that does include 'An Unearthly Child'. Yes, he not only recorded the very first episode, but he also recorded it on first transmission and not the repeat. I know this because it has the introductory continuity on the front.
There is also a much higher quality recording of the first episode, made in the presentation gallery during first transmission. It was requested by Desmond Briscoe of the Radiophonic Workshop and also includes the continuity into the episode.
Paul
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Post by George D on Mar 8, 2023 14:27:40 GMT
Thanks
Has the continuity announcement been released on any media?
I'm curious if james recorded any other early uk tv shows.
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Post by sonnybh on Mar 8, 2023 21:37:54 GMT
We're fortunate to have audios for all dr who episodes. wish the audio from other shows was preserved also. I've been impressed by this, I can't think of many other programmes with as many audio recordings of missing episodes, some of the comedies like At Last The 1948 Show come to mind. |
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Post by PAUL WOOD on Mar 10, 2023 18:55:57 GMT
Before Graham and David Holman's recordings came to light, the recordings that were going around in fan circles came from Richard Landen and James Russell, plus some Australian off-air recordings. James very early recordings were actually made by John de Rivaz and that does include 'An Unearthly Child'. Yes, he not only recorded the very first episode, but he also recorded it on first transmission and not the repeat. I know this because it has the introductory continuity on the front. There is also a much higher quality recording of the first episode, made in the presentation gallery during first transmission. It was requested by Desmond Briscoe of the Radiophonic Workshop and also includes the continuity into the episode. Paul Did John de Rivaz record Marco Polo on audio, Paul? If so, do the tapes still exist and how do they compare with the existing CD release? |
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Post by George D on Mar 10, 2023 19:03:33 GMT
We're fortunate to have audios for all dr who episodes. wish the audio from other shows was preserved also. I've been impressed by this, I can't think of many other programmes with as many audio recordings of missing episodes, some of the comedies like At Last The 1948 Show come to mind. I'm wondering if the reason we lack audios on other shows isn't because they weren't recorded but there was more interest in preserving dr who than other shows in the 70s and 80s. |
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Post by Ed Brown on Mar 10, 2023 22:00:03 GMT
We don't lack audios on other shows! I belong to various old-radio groups, and there is certainly no lack of recordings from 1960s radio shows.
You are confusing tv with radio. TV might lack audio recordings, but radio is very well supported by off-air recordings made by listeners. Mostly these exist because of the continuing strong popularity of radio in the Sixties, which was very well established, having been around since 1922.
Popular radio shows don't lack recordings, because they were popular. Dr Who doesn't lack for audio recordings, because it was popular.
The introduction of the tape recorder in 1955, when it was first marketed to the general public, received a boost in 1965 when the first Phillips cassette recorders went on sale to the public. Cassette recorders were cheaper and easier to use than open reel, too. This boosted the number of listeners/viewers who, by the mid-1960s, had the means to tape shows live off air.
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Post by George D on Mar 11, 2023 0:30:40 GMT
To clarify i meant other 1960s tv show audio such as avengers, Adam Adamant, out of unknown, doomwatch, a for Andromeda, etc.
If the argument was made that they were not popular, it doesn't make sense because many like them and also when dr who and unearthly child aired, it wasn't popular until the daleks.
I agree much radio was preserved. When Barry hill was alive, i asked him about 60s tv audio. he looked down on it. Apparently some people who saved radio may not have been interested in tv audio.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Mar 11, 2023 0:31:31 GMT
Before Graham and David Holman's recordings came to light, the recordings that were going around in fan circles came from Richard Landen and James Russell, plus some Australian off-air recordings. James very early recordings were actually made by John de Rivaz and that does include 'An Unearthly Child'. Yes, he not only recorded the very first episode, but he also recorded it on first transmission and not the repeat. I know this because it has the introductory continuity on the front. There is also a much higher quality recording of the first episode, made in the presentation gallery during first transmission. It was requested by Desmond Briscoe of the Radiophonic Workshop and also includes the continuity into the episode. Paul Did John de Rivaz record Marco Polo on audio, Paul? If so, do the tapes still exist and how do they compare with the existing CD release? He did. No idea what they sound like. |
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Post by andyparting on Mar 11, 2023 7:37:31 GMT
Before Graham and David Holman's recordings came to light, the recordings that were going around in fan circles came from Richard Landen and James Russell, plus some Australian off-air recordings. James very early recordings were actually made by John de Rivaz and that does include 'An Unearthly Child'. Yes, he not only recorded the very first episode, but he also recorded it on first transmission and not the repeat. I know this because it has the introductory continuity on the front. There is also a much higher quality recording of the first episode, made in the presentation gallery during first transmission. It was requested by Desmond Briscoe of the Radiophonic Workshop and also includes the continuity into the episode. Paul I really hope the introductory continuity appears as an extra on the eventual Season One Blu-Ray set. Be interesting to hear how it compares with what was written for Remembrance of the Daleks! |
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Post by Richard Develyn on Mar 11, 2023 12:01:16 GMT
I would have expected more off-air sound recordings of radio programs to exist than from TV programs because, obviously, when you record a radio program, you capture the whole thing, whereas with a TV program, it's only half the thing, and you might not have thought it was worth doing it.
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Post by Ed Brown on Mar 13, 2023 2:23:37 GMT
Barry Hill created the Old-Radio Collectors Association because he only had an interest in radio, but he wasn't typical. He was unusual, from our point of view -- I mean, from the point of view of people who were kids when Dr Who was running in the Sixties.
Barry was a good deal older than us. That meant he had grown up in a world where there was no tv. Before ITV was invented in 1955, the tv service didn't exist. What tv there was before that was mainly limited to London. So he developed his teenage interests with only radio to be interested in.
I grew up in the Sixties, and there was a lot of tv about, and so I recorded a lot of it. Nothing worth mentioning: a lot of sci fi shows, all of which survived because they were on ITV (Thunderbirds, etc), or because they were American shows (Lost In Space, Star Trek, etc). I ended up with a lot of audio recordings of Bewitched, The Munsters, MASH.
It isn't possible to make generalisations. Graham Strong was older than me, so he was recording tv in the mid Sixties. I had school friends who also recorded Dr Who, but no one ever was interested in audio tapes of Pertwee serials in the early Seventies. No one knew that tv of the Sixties would be lost forever, but that Seventies tv would survive. Lots of people taped tv soundtracks because VHS hadn't been invented. If Seventies tv had gone down the same black hole that swallowed Sixties tv, there would have been a lot of surviving tapes, but that never happened.
But let's not have a rumour start up that no one was taping tv, just because those tapes turned out to be not needed and so got thrown away, instead of becoming collectable.
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Post by PAUL WOOD on Mar 13, 2023 13:54:13 GMT
Did John de Rivaz record Marco Polo on audio, Paul? If so, do the tapes still exist and how do they compare with the existing CD release? He did. No idea what they sound like. Interesting! Calling Mark Ayres.... |
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