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Post by Robbie Moubert on Mar 17, 2023 9:13:02 GMT
The only chance I see is if someone bought a Sony Umatic recorder in late 71 72 and happened to live abroad where Troughton was still being shown and was a fan of the show They'd also have needed a TV or external receiver with line out connections as a U-matic wouldn't have had a built-in tuner.
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Post by Leighton Haberfield on Mar 21, 2023 9:11:42 GMT
The only chance I see is if someone bought a Sony Umatic recorder in late 71 72 and happened to live abroad where Troughton was still being shown and was a fan of the show They'd also have needed a TV or external receiver with line out connections as a U-matic wouldn't have had a built-in tuner. I am sure they would have had a TV, the whole point was to be able to record tv shows or am I missing something
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Post by RWels on Mar 21, 2023 12:05:35 GMT
They'd also have needed a TV or external receiver with line out connections as a U-matic wouldn't have had a built-in tuner. I am sure they would have had a TV, the whole point was to be able to record tv shows or am I missing something Yes, the tuner part. You need to receive a station. I wonder how the Melbourne Man did it.
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Post by peterconvery on Mar 21, 2023 22:14:00 GMT
I am sure they would have had a TV, the whole point was to be able to record tv shows or am I missing something Yes, the tuner part. You need to receive a station. I wonder how the Melbourne Man did it. Melbourne man - do you mean the one whose hoard was found recently- or the time waster who is supposed to have Marco Polo? Is there any evidence he does have it?
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Post by RWels on Mar 22, 2023 10:05:22 GMT
Yes, the tuner part. You need to receive a station. I wonder how the Melbourne Man did it. Melbourne man - do you mean the one whose hoard was found recently- or the time waster who is supposed to have Marco Polo? Is there any evidence he does have it? The former, with the hoard. Must be practically the only person to use umatic just as a personal home video. He had several umatic decks and tapes, none ever taped over...! Didn't they say he had the older decks lined up under his house?
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Post by Sue Butcher on Mar 23, 2023 11:13:47 GMT
Yes, he'd kept all his old machines. He'd even kept his old tram tickets and sweet wrappers! Regarding U-matic tapes and missing Troughton episodes, U-matic machines capable of recording Australian standard TV signals didn't become available until late 1973, after the last Australian broadcasts of missing Dr Who. Before that, the U-Matic machines sold here were built to American NTSC standards, and the people who used them (I'd guess ad agencies, film companies, CCTV contractors and the like) had to have NTSC televisions to view the recordings, and NTSC cameras to make them.
As for the tuner, he was an electronics hobbyist, so he could have modified an ordinary set to provide video and audio output for a recorder. Sound's easy, you just hook into the speaker circuit. Video's a bit more tricky, it has to come from the video detector half-way through the signal chain.
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Post by Peter Stirling on Mar 23, 2023 21:33:12 GMT
I am sure they would have had a TV, the whole point was to be able to record tv shows or am I missing something Yes, the tuner part. You need to receive a station. I wonder how the Melbourne Man did it. To enable a Umatic to play into a domestic TV it needed an RF board ...these were an optional (expensive) extra and so most of them did not have them as they were really commercial tools to be played on monitors. The other problem with a domestic TV of the time is that it was quite safe boxed up, but the majority were not electrically isolated so trying to shove a video baseband signal (used by a studio/VTR or camera) into it would have resulted in a bang.
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Post by Sue Butcher on Mar 23, 2023 23:39:29 GMT
Almost all televisions made in Australia were electrically isolated from the mains, and had power transformers and earthed chassis, unlike sets made in the UK. Live chassis sets weren't actually illegal in the Seventies, and some imported examples were sold here, but they were frowned on from a great height. CRT sets do have high voltages inside. You have to know the set's internal layout to avoid an accident.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Apr 8, 2023 22:09:24 GMT
The podcast 42 to Doomsday has come out with an episode where they interview Professor Jason Bainbridge, Executive Dean of the Faculty of Arts and Design at the University of Canberra. vyb42todoomsday.podbean.com/e/42-to-doomsday-the-great-curator-of-the-hoarder-tapes/It's a conversation about how he got into Doctor Who, his work, and the second half goes into the plans of what to do with the material. Very fascinating. Even if there is no Doctor Who as some hope, the vast size of the collection sounds like it will provide SOMETHING missing/of value ... even if it's lost advertisements. Also sounds like they'll be as transparent as they can be during the process.
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Post by cameron seams on Apr 9, 2023 0:28:39 GMT
The last broadcasts of the missing episodes were in the mid 70s, in Nigeria and Zambia. (Last one being The Space Pirates in 1976). At this time, videotape was first becoming available. Is it possible that these episodes exist on domestic video tape recorded at the time? with any luck we'll have the space pirates completed to have season 6 as the most complete season
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Post by Ace St.John on Apr 9, 2023 1:24:15 GMT
The last broadcasts of the missing episodes were in the mid 70s, in Nigeria and Zambia. (Last one being The Space Pirates in 1976). At this time, videotape was first becoming available. Is it possible that these episodes exist on domestic video tape recorded at the time? with any luck we'll have the space pirates completed to have season 6 as the most complete season with two episodes missing from The Invasion then that would leave season 6 on par with season 2
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Post by Ed Brown on Apr 9, 2023 4:04:21 GMT
The last broadcasts of the missing episodes were in the mid 70s, in Nigeria and Zambia. (Last one being The Space Pirates in 1976). At this time, videotape was first becoming available. Is it possible that these episodes exist on domestic video tape recorded at the time? with any luck we'll have the space pirates completed to have season 6 as the most complete season In 1976, the very first VHS video recorder went on sale in England. For the first time, a colour recorder -- all the 1960s models were only able to record in b/w. They were VERY expensive machines. And the tapes were each VERY expensive. But, for the first time, they could record in reasonable picture definition (unlike the 1960s models), and for the first time they were more or less within the reach of many middle class tv viewers in Britain, due to the introduction of Hire Purchase. Because of their high cost, these machines were only marketed in Europe and North America. IIRC they weren't even available in Oz in 1976. No way were any of the Japanese manufacturers selling these in other countries ( translation: these machines were not available in the third world). Even if you could obtain a machine, how could you buy the necessary tapes in your local high street, in the middle of Africa?
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Post by Ed Brown on Apr 9, 2023 4:38:00 GMT
To enable a Umatic to play into a domestic TV it needed an RF board ...these were an optional (expensive) extra ... Translation: The video-out signal from a U-matic recorder must be processed by an RF board, installed as an optional extra inside the U-matic machine's casing. This is an electronic circuit board, which converts the recorded signal present on the U-matic tape to the RF (radio frequency) range, which is what a consumer model television needs to receive at its input, in order to be able to display a picture. U-matic was first sold, by Sony, in the autumn of 1971. It used a cassette format, with three-quarter inch tape, instead of the open reel system in use with other pro systems. The BBC, for instance, used 2-inch Quad tape on an open reel (two inch quadruplex). U-matic tape had a 1 hour recording capacity. Too expensive for the consumer market, Sony sold U-Matic solely to the tv industry (for Electronic News Gathering, or ENG, uses mainly), to businesses, and to educational markets (schools, colleges).
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Post by andyparting on Apr 9, 2023 7:48:18 GMT
with any luck we'll have the space pirates completed to have season 6 as the most complete season In 1976, the very first VHS video recorder went on sale in England. For the first time, a colour recorder -- all the 1960s models were only able to record in b/w. They were VERY expensive machines. And the tapes were each VERY expensive. But, for the first time, they could record in reasonable picture definition (unlike the 1960s models), and for the first time they were more or less within the reach of many middle class tv viewers in Britain, due to the introduction of Hire Purchase. Because of their high cost, these machines were only marketed in Europe and North America. IIRC they weren't even available in Oz in 1976. No way were any of the Japanese manufacturers selling these in other countries ( translation: these machines were not available in the third world). Even if you could obtain a machine, how could you buy the necessary tapes in your local high street, in the middle of Africa? True enough about video recorders and tapes in Africa back then. A case of - as Captain Mainwaring would say - "going into the realms of fantasy."
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Post by Natalie Sinead on Apr 9, 2023 12:11:41 GMT
The podcast 42 to Doomsday has come out with an episode where they interview Professor Jason Bainbridge, Executive Dean of the Faculty of Arts and Design at the University of Canberra. vyb42todoomsday.podbean.com/e/42-to-doomsday-the-great-curator-of-the-hoarder-tapes/It's a conversation about how he got into Doctor Who, his work, and the second half goes into the plans of what to do with the material. Very fascinating. Even if there is no Doctor Who as some hope, the vast size of the collection sounds like it will provide SOMETHING missing/of value ... even if it's lost advertisements. Also sounds like they'll be as transparent as they can be during the process. Junking stuff happened to the end of the seventies. Because we have all of 1970s Who, fans often forget that a lot of classic series like Z-Cars and Dixon have big holes down to 1975.
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