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Post by John Wall on Jan 12, 2023 10:51:00 GMT
Seems Gold are showing three colourised HHHs.
Some b&w DW stories have colour piccies taken on set which could be very useful.
Thoughts?
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Post by nathangeorge on Jan 12, 2023 12:56:37 GMT
I have seen episodes 1-3 of Tenth Planet in colour. For a low budget fan effort it wasn't bad at all and emminently watchable (though I can be quite forgiving). I feel the same about colourisations as I do about the animations really; a pretty and very welcome sideshow but can't recapture the atmosphere of the originals.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 12, 2023 16:52:22 GMT
I always prefer the real thing but the animations help fill the gaps.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 13, 2023 23:14:30 GMT
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Post by John Wall on Jan 13, 2023 23:17:21 GMT
👆 This guy colourised the HHHs for Yesterday.
Can anybody advise why I’m suddenly getting enthusiastic about a colourised version of IotD1 which could be combined with the colour recovery version?
And then there’s AoD…..
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Post by John Wall on Jan 26, 2023 0:32:37 GMT
This thread seems to have gone cold so let’s try and warm it up 👍
I doubt I was the only one to see the colourised Hancocks and I found them very watchable although perhaps slightly unsaturated. There are quite a few series nowadays using this sort of technology which suggests that the cost has reduced somewhat since PotD3 fifteen years ago.
To put things in context we’re close to 40 years since the first home video release, Revenge of the Cybermen edited to, effectively, make a movie. Since then we’ve had VHS, DVD, DVD SEs and now BluRay box sets. I’m just not sure whether the handle on the sausage machine will be turned again. It was disappointing that animation couldn’t be justified to complete the Crusade but if releases don’t cover their costs they’ll stop. Compared to how they were not that long ago the Pertwee seasons are unrecognisable, episodes that were only black and white are now almost indistinguishable from their original broadcast condition.
The “weakest” Pertwee episode is IotD1 where colour recovery was only partially successful. What’s needed is another colour source that can be combined with that from colour recovery and which will hopefully result in something much better than we currently have. I think that could come from what’s recently been used on Hancock.
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Post by barneyhall on Jan 26, 2023 8:08:31 GMT
I too was disappointed that the crusade didn't get an animation but realistically if you asked which story I thought would be bottom of the pile animation wise for both cost and possible cultural depictions the crusade would of been my first to mind. And as you say if they don't make there costs we won't see more of the collections. I doubt we'd ever get animations commissioned for a collection if it's not out in the wild market we won't get it on a collection.
Back to topic season 9 is now rapidly approaching I wonder what work they will og done on sea devil's and time monster
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Post by Frank Shailes on Jan 31, 2023 16:29:33 GMT
I too was disappointed that the crusade didn't get an animation but realistically if you asked which story I thought would be bottom of the pile animation wise for both cost and possible cultural depictions the crusade would of been my first to mind. And as you say if they don't make there costs we won't see more of the collections. I doubt we'd ever get animations commissioned for a collection if it's not out in the wild market we won't get it on a collection. Back to topic season 9 is now rapidly approaching I wonder what work they will og done on sea devil's and time monster I remember one of the RT (maybe Steve Roberts) saying that Time Monster had done to it all that could be done to it and "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear" especially the Ep1 telecine sequences. I guess it's similar to the out of phase stuff, we're stuck with what exists. |
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Post by John Wall on Jan 31, 2023 18:29:00 GMT
I too was disappointed that the crusade didn't get an animation but realistically if you asked which story I thought would be bottom of the pile animation wise for both cost and possible cultural depictions the crusade would of been my first to mind. And as you say if they don't make there costs we won't see more of the collections. I doubt we'd ever get animations commissioned for a collection if it's not out in the wild market we won't get it on a collection. Back to topic season 9 is now rapidly approaching I wonder what work they will og done on sea devil's and time monster I remember one of the RT (maybe Steve Roberts) saying that Time Monster had done to it all that could be done to it and "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear" especially the Ep1 telecine sequences. I guess it's similar to the out of phase stuff, we're stuck with what exists. It may be worth checking exactly when some stories were last looked at and seeing how technology has subsequently developed. I was somewhat surprised to find that PotD3 had been sorted out in 2008 - 15 years ago! |
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Post by andyparting on Jan 31, 2023 19:10:35 GMT
I too was disappointed that the crusade didn't get an animation but realistically if you asked which story I thought would be bottom of the pile animation wise for both cost and possible cultural depictions the crusade would of been my first to mind. And as you say if they don't make there costs we won't see more of the collections. I doubt we'd ever get animations commissioned for a collection if it's not out in the wild market we won't get it on a collection. Back to topic season 9 is now rapidly approaching I wonder what work they will og done on sea devil's and time monster I remember one of the RT (maybe Steve Roberts) saying that Time Monster had done to it all that could be done to it and "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear" especially the Ep1 telecine sequences. I guess it's similar to the out of phase stuff, we're stuck with what exists. Peter Jackson certainly made a silk purse out of a sow's ear for They Shall Not Grow Oldwww.youtube.com/watch?v=IrabKK9Bhds |
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Post by Ralph Rose on Jan 31, 2023 19:42:07 GMT
As technology improves, miraculous things can happen. I've said myself in the past that these stories would be pointless being put out on Blu-ray. As technology existed at the time I said it, I was correct. As technology exists today however, well you can see the results.  As technology exists tomorrow? It can boggle the mind with possibilities. |
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Post by timmunton on Feb 1, 2023 8:53:09 GMT
I remember one of the RT (maybe Steve Roberts) saying that Time Monster had done to it all that could be done to it and "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear" especially the Ep1 telecine sequences. I guess it's similar to the out of phase stuff, we're stuck with what exists. Peter Jackson certainly made a silk purse out of a sow's ear for They Shall Not Grow Oldwww.youtube.com/watch?v=IrabKK9BhdsPeter Jackson has said, using state of the art AI technology he has access to, that he would be able to make the notoriously lo-fi tapes of the Beatles at The Star Club, Hamburg, in 1962, sound like they were recorded at Abbey Road! (And that he'd do the work for free). Which I would imagine would also mean such technology can almost certainly make even the worst audios of missing Who sound quite excellent (& also some of the audios to non-missing episodes eg. iirc some of the surviving Tenth Planet episodes have rather unclear-ish sound). Perhaps at the moment the BBC don't have access to software as sophisticated as Peter Jackson's - but I'm under the impression that such restoration innovations don't usually take that long to become more available/affordable. Here's hoping! I'm assuming Peter Jackson maybe isn't a massive fan of old Who; as if so I'd imagine he would possibly have already offered similar help to the BBC. |
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Post by andyparting on Feb 1, 2023 9:04:58 GMT
As technology improves, miraculous things can happen. I've said myself in the past that these stories would be pointless being put out on Blu-ray. As technology existed at the time I said it, I was correct. As technology exists today however, well you can see the results. As technology exists tomorrow? It can boggle the mind with possibilities. It is really amazing how great the film sequences on Genesis of the Daleks, The Mind of Evil, Terror of the Autons, for example, now look on Blu-ray. I would love it one day if technology allowed for those film sequences to look as good as those for which the A/B roll camera negatives still exist ( Earthshock, The Pirate Planet etc.). Is this dream a bridge too far?? |
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Post by barneyhall on Feb 1, 2023 11:19:08 GMT
Peter Jackson has said, using state of the art AI technology he has access to, that he would be able to make the notoriously lo-fi tapes of the Beatles at The Star Club, Hamburg, in 1962, sound like they were recorded at Abbey Road! (And that he'd do the work for free). Which I would imagine would also mean such technology can almost certainly make even the worst audios of missing Who sound quite excellent (& also some of the audios to non-missing episodes eg. iirc some of the surviving Tenth Planet episodes have rather unclear-ish sound). Perhaps at the moment the BBC don't have access to software as sophisticated as Peter Jackson's - but I'm under the impression that such restoration innovations don't usually take that long to become more available/affordable. Here's hoping! I'm assuming Peter Jackson maybe isn't a massive fan of old Who; as if so I'd imagine he would possibly have already offered similar help to the BBC. as long as we are talking about the Lord of the rings director he is actually a huge classic who fan. He owns one of the oldest known to exist dalek casings and has offered to direct new who eps in exchange for screen used new series dalek as his fee but it never came to pass |
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Post by timmunton on Feb 1, 2023 16:45:23 GMT
barneyhall - that's interesting & great to hear. In that case I'd imagine PJ must know about the missing episodes & the occasional substandard audio for some of these.
Maybe it just hasn't crossed his mind how helpful his AI software could be for these.
I don't suppose anyone here knows him personally, but it would be nice if it could be mentioned to him that such audios might be made fresh, new & gleaming with an extra special dusting of his magic restorative powder.
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