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Post by John Green on Sept 8, 2022 20:42:51 GMT
"Clearing the shelves behind Reed’s desk, Stern and Fleming found a package that they initially thought was a CD box set. On closer inspection, it turned out to be a reel-to-reel tape, sealed in a paper envelope dated May 1965 and addressed by Reed to himself, at his parents’ house in Freeport, Long Island. When they opened it, they discovered a demo tape. Reed had sent it to himself as a cheap way of asserting authorship of its contents: in a fabulous minor detail, the package was notarised by someone called Harry Lichtiger, who research revealed to be a shonky local pharmacist, convicted of selling barbiturates without prescription. It contained recordings made by Reed and John Cale when Reed was still working as a songwriter for the budget label Pickwick Records. Among them were the earliest known versions of the Velvet Underground’s Heroin, I’m Waiting for the Man and Pale Blue Eyes, Wrap Your Troubles in Dreams – the song which the Velvet Underground played live and eventually appeared on Nico’s debut solo album Chelsea Girl – and a selection of previously unheard songs. It opens with Men of Good Fortune – not the song of the same name that Reed recorded on 1973’s Berlin, but a faux-traditional folk ballad, sung from a female viewpoint." www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/sep/08/laurie-anderson-on-lou-reeds-lost-demo-tape-he-really-wasnt-that-interested-in-his-past |
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Post by tom rogers on Sept 9, 2022 0:07:14 GMT
I’m headed to the exhibit in New York later this month. The demo is amazing. So different and yet the seeds are there. The estate has a book and lp coming out soon that includes the demo, I believe. The Velvets never get old.
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Post by Peter Stirling on Sept 10, 2022 11:37:14 GMT
I’m headed to the exhibit in New York later this month. The demo is amazing. So different and yet the seeds are there. The estate has a book and lp coming out soon that includes the demo, I believe. The Velvets never get old. For some reason this reminded me of Waldo Jeffers' parcel surprise in The Gift  |
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Post by John Green on Sept 10, 2022 11:46:41 GMT
I’m headed to the exhibit in New York later this month. The demo is amazing. So different and yet the seeds are there. The estate has a book and lp coming out soon that includes the demo, I believe. The Velvets never get old. For some reason this reminded me of Waldo Jeffers' parcel surprise in The Gift Hence the title of the thread! |
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Post by rebeccajansen on Sept 20, 2022 1:23:33 GMT
Hope to be able to hear it eventually!
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Post by tom rogers on Sept 20, 2022 23:39:20 GMT
For some reason this reminded me of Waldo Jeffers' parcel surprise in The Gift Hence the title of the thread! I will be taking the train to NYC. I will spare Mr. Jameson of the Clarence Darrow Post Office any trouble in that regard 🤣 |
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Post by John Green on Sept 21, 2022 9:41:00 GMT
Hence the title of the thread! I will be taking the train to NYC. I will spare Mr. Jameson of the Clarence Darrow Post Office any trouble in that regard 🤣 Whenever I played the VU track on my LP, the narrative always seemed to be on another channel, so I couldn't make much of it out! Meanwhile, is the music on the tape public-domain, since it hasn't been commercially exploited in all this time? |
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Post by Peter Stirling on Sept 22, 2022 9:54:31 GMT
I will be taking the train to NYC. I will spare Mr. Jameson of the Clarence Darrow Post Office any trouble in that regard 🤣 Whenever I played the VU track on my LP, the narrative always seemed to be on another channel, so I couldn't make much of it out! Meanwhile, is the music on the tape public-domain, since it hasn't been commercially exploited in all this time? Yes they were having fun with stereo in those days but it meant in certain setups you could lose this or that. Obviously there is no problem in sorting it out for a later release. I understand (maybe wrong) neglected copyright works on the opposite side of the fence in the UK and US at least. US..Filmed material can fall out of copyright and become 'Public domain' Music material (records,discs etc) does not fall out of copyright and remains protected. UK..Filmed materials do not fall out of copyright. Music materials can fall out of copyright after so many years. Something like that anyway |
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Post by Ralph Rose on Sept 22, 2022 13:27:34 GMT
It's more complicated than that. 70 years after the author's death is mentioned in US law etc...
Everything will fall out of copyright eventually. But how long it takes varies wildly and is different between countries. Then you have ways of renewal to extend copyrights. Using Doctor Who as an example, every CD, DVD or Blu-ray released can extend the copyright for the new works etc... This will eventually lead to the soundtracks and telesnaps for missing episodes remaining in copyright when other picture elements wont etc...
Ever wonder why the Public Domain broadcast episodes of Bonanza does not use the Bonanza theme song? The theme remains in copyright etc...
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Post by Peter Stirling on Sept 22, 2022 16:00:26 GMT
It's more complicated than that. 70 years after the author's death is mentioned in US law etc... Everything will fall out of copyright eventually. But how long it takes varies wildly and is different between countries. Then you have ways of renewal to extend copyrights. Using Doctor Who as an example, every CD, DVD or Blu-ray released can extend the copyright for the new works etc... This will eventually lead to the soundtracks and telesnaps for missing episodes remaining in copyright when other picture elements wont etc... Ever wonder why the Public Domain broadcast episodes of Bonanza does not use the Bonanza theme song? The theme remains in copyright etc... Yes a fascinating subject. I thought in the US if say The Wizard of Oz had got forgotten and neglected the copyright can be renewed for a fee by a company/individual that can prove a claim, meanwhile the music is taken care of. But if someone does a digital makeover/restoration and puts a date, then the copyright starts again from that date as it is seen as a fresh version. Some re-issues of forgotten records in the UK have 'copyright control' this is where the author cannot be found and any royalties are passed onto the musician's union's benevolent fund. |
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Post by John Green on Sept 22, 2022 18:06:14 GMT
I was thinking of some of the more esoteric Dylan recordings, where a dozen or so copies are released to shops to establish, with the out-of-copyright date coming up, that they have been merchandised. (Though there are some who've argued that this isn't good enough legally).
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Post by John Green on Sept 22, 2022 18:17:03 GMT
"But the subtitle, The Copyright Extension Collection, Volume 1, speaks for itself. "Even record executives occasionally stray into honesty," says James Boyle, a law professor at Duke University. "This is, in fact, a copyright extension collection. That's what it is." Boyle says Dylan's label appears to be exploiting an obscure but potentially lucrative change in European copyright law. The European Union recently extended the term of copyright for sound recordings from 50 years to 70 years. But, there's a catch. "You actually have to have, at some point, distributed these songs during that initial 50-year period. These were masters that were lying in the vaults," Boyle says, "and none of them had ever seen the light of day. And so he had to get them out before that 50-year period expired in order to get the extra 20 years." Because this material was recorded in 1962 and 1963, the label essentially has to use it or lose it to the public domain." www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2013/01/12/169133556/there-are-only-100-copies-of-the-new-bob-dylan-record |
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Post by RWels on Sept 22, 2022 19:31:40 GMT
I always thought that Monty Python's Contractual Obligation Album was a joke, but now I'm not so sure anymore.  |
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Post by John Green on Sept 22, 2022 20:43:10 GMT
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Post by tom rogers on Sept 24, 2022 12:03:31 GMT
I will be taking the train to NYC. I will spare Mr. Jameson of the Clarence Darrow Post Office any trouble in that regard 🤣 Whenever I played the VU track on my LP, the narrative always seemed to be on another channel, so I couldn't make much of it out! Meanwhile, is the music on the tape public-domain, since it hasn't been commercially exploited in all this time? Yes, the song was originally released in a kind of a fake-stereo. Two mono tracks, one with Cale’s voice alone and the other with the music. Years ago I ripped the files and used an editing program to create a two-track mono version using only the music track. Other folks have done this as well, and this version has been released previously. The instrumental track is fascinating and much more complex than what I could hear when Cale’s vocals were present. I think of it as like a bonus track on White Light/White Heat. |
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