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Post by Peter Stirling on Apr 25, 2022 10:33:46 GMT
Did anyone notice that in this clip, already posted up-thread, the commentator announces they are switching from colour to black & white (at around 4m45s) due to poor light...!
This happened quite regularly in the early colour days as the cameras could not cope with gloomy winter afternoons. Yes a lot of clubs suddenly had to consider installing improved floodlights.
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Post by Mike Goldwater on Apr 25, 2022 11:35:05 GMT
Here's a couple of early colour performances broadcast live from The Covent Garden Theatre in early 1968. The later example features the first complete televised ballet in colour with a cast that notably includes Rudolf Nureyev, it also happens to be available to buy on DVD.
Aida (1968)
The Nutcracker (1968)
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Post by Mike Goldwater on Apr 26, 2022 23:25:40 GMT
According to the BBC Yearbook 1968, the first BBC Proms concert to be taped in colour was from the 9/8/1967. I'm dubious if a recording from that concert still exists, however there is footage from the Last Night of the Proms broadcast on the 16/9/1967, although the footage survives on b&w VT. A selection of clips from various Last Night of the Proms over the years appeared at the start of Richard Baker's final appearance as host on the 16/9/1995. As far as I'm currently aware, the only BBC Proms footage from the 1960's that survives in colour, dates from 3/8/69 and 17/8/69 as two editions of 'Omnibus'. I'm curious to know what other proms footage survives in colour from this period?
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Post by Mike Goldwater on Apr 28, 2022 12:04:12 GMT
I have now over 500 entries on my database, there's probably more out there that unaccounted for which I haven't covered yet. During my research, I found a few examples of programs that only survive as colour NTSC copies made for export. Would it be worth including these examples in the database. There's a few, that exist in this format such as episodes of Vanity Fair, The Possessed, This Is Tom Jones, The Englebert Humperdinck Show, Nana, Saturday Stars: Innocence, Anarchy and Soul: 3 Chapters from the History of Rock, Star Performance, Rembrandt and The Big Show.
A further note on 'Rembrandt', according to TV Brain, a 3 minute extract exists on PAL VT.
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Post by John Wall on Apr 28, 2022 12:19:43 GMT
I have now over 500 entries on my database, there's probably more out there that unaccounted for which I haven't covered yet. During my research, I found a few examples of programs that only survive as colour NTSC copies made for export. Would it be worth including these examples in the database. There's a few, that exist in this format such as episodes of Vanity Fair, The Possessed, This Is Tom Jones, The Englebert Humperdinck Show, Nana, Saturday Stars: Innocence, Anarchy and Soul: 3 Chapters from the History of Rock, Star Performance and The Big Show. With the technology available nowadays they can be reconverted to PAL and be almost indistinguishable from the original.
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Post by Mike Goldwater on Apr 29, 2022 21:41:15 GMT
I've had added a new page on the database, listing the recordings I've found that currently exist as NTSC dubs from the original PAL Master Tapes. You can find it on the last page of the database in the Google Drive file I shared.
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Post by Mike Goldwater on May 5, 2022 8:24:00 GMT
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Post by Geoff Sear on May 5, 2022 12:45:27 GMT
I know you're focusing on tapes, but live broadcasts were not really documented so finding what programmes were transmitted with colour content has been hard, but I now know when the first full colour programme was broadcast. And it has chroma dots. Here is a grab of what I believe to be the first colour ident clock on BBC TV. Lovely! Is that clock screengrab from the end of the 20th April 1967 Late Night Line Up?
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Post by Paul Vanezis on May 5, 2022 12:46:49 GMT
Lovely! Is that clock screengrab from the end of the 20th April 1967 Late Night Line Up? It is.
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Post by robertboon on May 6, 2022 1:12:45 GMT
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Post by Mike Goldwater on May 6, 2022 22:21:07 GMT
Here's some examples, although both they are both timecoded I'm afraid.
Q5 (1969)
Only three episodes from the first 'Q...' series survive in the archives, and this is the only one from that series to exist on Colour VT. Also included is the original VT countdown clock.
Theatre 625: The Fanatics (1968)
Only three editions from this anthology series survive in colour, despite the fact that colour editions were produced since December 1967. The original colour VT for 'The Fantatics' is believed to be lost, yet miraculous it survives as a colour telerecording.
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Post by Peter Stirling on May 7, 2022 9:40:19 GMT
Talking of torture you might want to investigate 'The Tormentors' ATV a Stanley Baker/James Mason play rumoured to have been made on 625 and 525 colour.
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Post by Mike Goldwater on May 7, 2022 16:48:26 GMT
Talking of torture you might want to investigate 'The Tormentors' ATV a Stanley Baker/James Mason play rumoured to have been made on 625 and 525 colour. I checked on TV Brain, and a NTSC colour version was made for the US market. Yet since it was produced in 1966, the UK version was taped on 405 line monochrome VT. A telerecording exists for the UK version, whilst the orginal NTSC tape survives for the US version. ATV was one of few television companies at the time to shoot on NTSC colour, albeit for export purporses. This practise continued until 625 line PAL colour equipment became available in 1968.
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Post by Matthew Kurth on May 26, 2022 22:31:12 GMT
Re: the 1969 Grand national coverage, the recording is indeed colour but it's quite an unstable recording. Back then, it was hard to synchronise all the various sources to be timed to each other. There is a method to resolve this issue, but it involves physically splicing the videotape. Out of curiosity, what would that entail? Physically removing the unstable frame(s) so the sync pulses stay "clean"?
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Post by markboulton on May 28, 2022 23:11:42 GMT
Re: the 1969 Grand national coverage, the recording is indeed colour but it's quite an unstable recording. Back then, it was hard to synchronise all the various sources to be timed to each other. There is a method to resolve this issue, but it involves physically splicing the videotape. Out of curiosity, what would that entail? Physically removing the unstable frame(s) so the sync pulses stay "clean"? That's a surprise to hear from Paul. I thought all the more advanced Quad machines like the AVR-2 could do "freewheel" sync that would ignore an unstable control track and basically do dynamic tracking. I've seen a few YouTube videos demonstrating this, albeit in the US with NTSC tapes.
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