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Post by maxstenner on Nov 30, 2021 18:27:08 GMT
Just reading about kinescopes sent to far-away Canadian regions and that kinescopes were made for Doctor Who in 1965, including a missing story (Marco Polo). A set of kinescopes of Doctor Who were made and bicycled along throughout stations. What are the chances that these survive?
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Nov 30, 2021 23:26:36 GMT
Good question. CBC did make new Kinescopes for distribution to remote stations. Presumably they were made on broadcast in Toronto and included commercials. While most stations got their feed from the microwave network (including tape delay for western time zones), these kinescopes were bicycled to at least 4 remote stations, some via Winnipeg. There were huge quantities of these kines. Up to 60 hours a week to some stations. So the number of tins per week were into the thousands. They were last known to be broadcast at station in Goose Bay, Labrador. The fate is unknown, but it's nigh impossible that hundreds of thousands of kines were preserved anywhere. No information on where they were shipped. Either they were destroyed in Goose Bay, shipped back to Winnipeg, or to Toronto. It is possible though, that these were what were broadcast on CBC affiliates in Saskatchewan a few months later, which were also supplied from Winnipeg. The original films from BBC probably never left Toronto. Presumably they were returned to BBC Toronto back in 1965. What happened to them next is a mystery. We know where BBC stored material in the late 1970s and 1980s - which is where some of the colour Pertwees were found. But it didn't exist back in the 1960s. (incidentally, last time I checked, the private storage facility used in the 1970s and 1980s was still there ... shouldn't be any Doctor Who there, but I'm not sure it's ever been contacted regarding other programmes). So while there are still some questions to answer - none of the answers are likely to be anything other than historical footnotes. Much of this information has been dug in some amazing reserach up by Jon Preddle - see his page broadwcast.org/index.php/Kinescope_Stations |
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Post by John Wall on Dec 1, 2021 9:33:56 GMT
Much cones down to dates. How quickly did the microwave network develop?
In Australia there seems to have been an internal bicycling system to avoid the need for - and cost of - dupes. The regional broadcast dates for things like DW were staggered because of this.
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Dec 1, 2021 14:17:02 GMT
Much cones down to dates. How quickly did the microwave network develop? The central Canadian microwave system predates television stations - CBC called for a contract to use it before they opened the first station. Most of the Bell system was in place by the end of the 1950s; years before Australia. A second competing system was completed in 1964, before Doctor Who started, which was only broadcast in 1965, until the Pertwee era. It's only a handful of remote stations that didn't use microwave by 1965 - and few stations were established before the microwave system arrived. There were no stations in the territories until 1967 when the use of bicycling expanded significantly. |
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Post by John Wall on Dec 1, 2021 14:55:09 GMT
Much cones down to dates. How quickly did the microwave network develop? The central Canadian microwave system predates television stations - CBC called for a contract to use it before they opened the first station. Most of the Bell system was in place by the end of the 1950s; years before Australia. A second competing system was completed in 1964, before Doctor Who started, which was only broadcast in 1965, until the Pertwee era. It's only a handful of remote stations that didn't use microwave by 1965 - and few stations were established before the microwave system arrived. There were no stations in the territories until 1967 - though it didn't really expand greatly until satellite was widely available in 1973 with Anik. That’s interesting. I dunno if it’s possible - if it hasn’t been done - to check the broadcast dates of things like DW at the remote stations. If they were showing the same programme at the same time then there were dupes - if the dates were staggered then the prints were almost certainly bicycled. |
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Dec 1, 2021 15:24:00 GMT
That’s interesting. I dunno if it’s possible - if it hasn’t been done - to check the broadcast dates of things like DW at the remote stations. If they were showing the same programme at the same time then there were dupes - if the dates were staggered then the prints were almost certainly bicycled. We're going in circles! This has been done - see the link in my original post. Dates are staggered. broadwcast.org/index.php/Kinescope_StationsThey wouldn't have gotten into multiple copies until 1967 when the remote network significantly expanded, long after Doctor Who aired. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Broadcasting_Corporation#Frontier_Coverage_Package |
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Post by John Wall on Dec 1, 2021 16:48:39 GMT
That’s interesting. I dunno if it’s possible - if it hasn’t been done - to check the broadcast dates of things like DW at the remote stations. If they were showing the same programme at the same time then there were dupes - if the dates were staggered then the prints were almost certainly bicycled. We're going in circles! This has been done - see the link in my original post. Dates are staggered. broadwcast.org/index.php/Kinescope_StationsThey wouldn't have gotten into multiple copies until 1967 when the remote network significantly expanded, long after Doctor Who aired. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Broadcasting_Corporation#Frontier_Coverage_PackageOops 😂 |
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Post by Robbie Moubert on Dec 1, 2021 21:56:27 GMT
The chances of any prints surviving are 50-50 - they either exist or they don't!
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Post by John Wall on Dec 1, 2021 22:06:55 GMT
The chances of any prints surviving are 50-50 - they either exist or they don't! Schrodinger prints 😂 |
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Post by richardwoods on Dec 2, 2021 11:57:34 GMT
The chances of any prints surviving are 50-50 - they either exist or they don't! Schrodinger prints 😂 That would apply to Web3 |
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Post by John Wall on Dec 2, 2021 12:13:53 GMT
Definitely - and unfortunately ☹️ |
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Dec 2, 2021 12:28:38 GMT
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Post by Jon Preddle on Dec 2, 2021 17:52:41 GMT
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Dec 20, 2021 9:04:03 GMT
I found it interesting that the extremely remote station at Happy Valley-Goose Bay existed at all. It closed as an affiliate in 2012, here's some more information:- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFLA-TV |
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Post by rebeccajansen on Dec 21, 2021 19:10:08 GMT
For a moment I had visions of perfectly preserved Doctor Who being excavated from an old rubbish tip below the permafrost!
It's interesting reading though, looks like Flin Flon and Terrace aired the most kines.
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