Post by John Wall on Nov 25, 2021 0:35:21 GMT
If you’ve got leads - for anything missing - you’ve been told who to contact and who will follow them up. You can have as much, or as little, publicity as you want.
It’s the same with collectors. They can give, or loan, a print to someone like PV and if they want complete anonymity there’s no problem. If they want publicity, again, that’s no problem. I really don’t know why this is being discussed.
Why would someone in Iran do as much seeing as you have said that its a dodgy place? It's not exactly likely to endear people in that country or indeed other foreign countries to help, is it? They might even go so far as to think "Hang on, have we got X" and to chuck it because of the insult and the xenophobia.
Moreover, I have in any case submitted a rather lesser tip on this very website with regards to a means by which the larger part of what is apparently the largest archive of music in the world, which belonged to universal and which was destroyed in a fire, might be recovered. For whatever reason, there would not appear to be much interest in that discussion and there is more of interest in this sort of thing.
It can hardly be said to be encouraging can it?
So I must ask why would anyone who sees this thread, as they would be likely to, bother?
That's the point which I highlighted and which PM highlighted
I see that you are sadly not interested in this but keen on regurgitating for the sake of "being right" when this is not the case and when it is important to point this out.
Do you have ANYTHING to suggest PM wasn’t as systematic and thorough elsewhere as he clearly was in Nigeria? No, just because he was interviewed specifically wrt DW so, naturally, concentrated on where he’d found DW you invent the possibility that he wasn’t.
Point one: he says he did the whole haystack in the case of Nigeria and maybe in others, but maybe not in others with particular reference to large countries such as South Africa, Zambia and Australia just to give a few examples. Because he is one man searching a large area. It's rather a lot to ask one person to do.
Point two. In the case of Nigeria, it is not necessarily the case that he did search the whole haystack due to advice from the foreign office not to visit very many parts of the country. He will no doubt he will have taken of due to his experience of being kidnapped.
You can see this from the following advice from the FCDO
Point three: on his website he says that he offers a commercial service to catalogue and other things on a paid basis. Does it necessarily mean that this has occurred in every case or that they will have availed themselves of all of his services? No
Point four. He is but one person. A talented person
As such it is not true that he has been able to systematically search.
Whether you like it or not the most logical conclusion is that he’s been thorough and systematic everywhere. And if any local circumstances caused problems you haven’t got a better solution.
I have repeated these.
I really don’t know why you keep mixing up stores and archives - I’ve previously outlined the differences and it’s been, repeatedly, explained why foreign programmes are unlikely to have made it into TV station archives. As for other archives they’ll have a catalogue which can be checked and, over time, are being digitised. Information is regularly going online and then people check it.
You know what is meant and I use the dictionary definition
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/archive
"A repository or collection especially of information"
Probably the biggest problem is that there are archives/collections that are largely unknown until something goes online. If you wanna send people to open every can of film that’s fine - but how do you send people to check something you don’t know exists?
Aden/Yemen showed DW but never appears to have been at the end of a bicycle chain.
Zimbabwe has previously been discussed. If he could do Nigeria he could do Zimbabwe, there’s little doubt about that. Do you have ANYTHING to suggest he hasn’t been to Zimbabwe? No, I thought not….
Zimbabwe has previously been discussed. If he could do Nigeria he could do Zimbabwe, there’s little doubt about that. Do you have ANYTHING to suggest he hasn’t been to Zimbabwe? No, I thought not….
As such they would be unwilling to help.
Iran DIDN’T SHOW DW - have you read what I wrote? All we know is that almost 55 years ago they were sent a couple of episodes of MP but didn’t pick up the series. My view is that it’s extremely unlikely they survive - it’s possible they were destroyed or sent to London and destroyed but no records exist. Everyone here knows that it’s somewhere to check but, for well documented reasons, there’s a dearth of volunteers. Why are you wasting time endlessly regurgitating this?
It is extremely unlikely that anything exists so on that basis, one should not search. And indeed this is what people said before PM visited.
You’ve been defamatory about PM, I’d advise against making unsubstantiated accusations against those here.
You on the other hand have been defamatory about Iran which is why you are making this rather silly counter-accusation.
You claim:
‘Your first statement is "He did not specifically search for DW".’
I posted that in quotes as it was YOUR statement. PM is looking for ALL missing TV, that’s obvious. Congratulations on the misrepresentation, it just shows the low standard of your arguments.
I dunno if I’ve addressed all the 🤮 but I’m sure it’ll be repeated.
‘Your first statement is "He did not specifically search for DW".’
I posted that in quotes as it was YOUR statement. PM is looking for ALL missing TV, that’s obvious. Congratulations on the misrepresentation, it just shows the low standard of your arguments.
I dunno if I’ve addressed all the 🤮 but I’m sure it’ll be repeated.
"“he does not specifically search for doctor who” Er, yes, we know that - that could, shock horror!, be why he’s recovered other material - and been delighted with it.
TVS: My first question for you Phil is what piqued your interest. What got you interested in looking for lost or missing TV episodes of anything really Doctor Who or whatever it was you were finding.
PM: Well strangely enough the thing that attracted me first was actually comedy was "not only but also" which was lovely comedy with Peter Cook and Dudley Moore from the 1960s that much equally and we all loved and I just found out there were word episodes missing. I have one of those kind of inquisitive minds and I thought well I'd like to know more so I kind of looked into that and found you know wasn't used obviously "not only but also" when it could be with programs like Doctor Who, Dixon of dock green and Z cars. You know there were many programs that were you know periodically wiped by the BBC their video takes back in the day.
PM: Well strangely enough the thing that attracted me first was actually comedy was "not only but also" which was lovely comedy with Peter Cook and Dudley Moore from the 1960s that much equally and we all loved and I just found out there were word episodes missing. I have one of those kind of inquisitive minds and I thought well I'd like to know more so I kind of looked into that and found you know wasn't used obviously "not only but also" when it could be with programs like Doctor Who, Dixon of dock green and Z cars. You know there were many programs that were you know periodically wiped by the BBC their video takes back in the day.
I think we’ve got a Brilliant Speculation generator powered by the energy from a black hole….
I really fail to understand why any collector would be put off by reading this board. It’s clear, if they return something they can have anonymity or publicity - whatever they want. Why is that so difficult to understand?
As for Iran, this is just one of many reports www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9786913/Iran-planned-kidnap-UK-based-journalist-criticised-regime-FBI-say.html Avoiding Iran is nothing b to do with xenophobia, it’s common sense unless absolutely necessary for employment, etc reasons. The offer of a one way ticket to see if a couple of episodes of MP survives is still open….
I’ll repeat, he was clearly systematic and thorough in Nigeria - and from the interview he might not have been alone. The obvious conclusion from that is that he was systematic and thorough elsewhere. I really don’t understand why that’s so difficult to grasp - he’s been putting his own resources into this, that’s a phenomenal incentive to do things well. I’ll repeat, you have NO evidence for the insinuations you repeatedly make.
Ah, South Africa, Zambia and,Australia….
South Africa didn’t get TV until, iirc, 1976 and has been discussed here recently. From the information provided it seems that any TV programmes, British or otherwise, seen on 16mm before that were film series, there’s nothing to suggest b&w DW was seen there.
If he could, as he did, cover Nigeria - a big country - he could cover Zambia.
He believes that prints MAY be held by Australian collectors - there are plenty of DW fans there. It should be noted that Australia returned large numbers of prints to London from which some were rescued from the destruction pile. Few would expend resources on searching Australia for DW - it’s much more likely that the half dozen prints he says are with (UK) collectors are from the Australian returns.
You say that “local intelligence” should be used - which is exactly what got PM to places like Jos… Next!
You really think that something from decades ago would **** up a search in Zimbabwe? Keep grasping at those straws…. You’re desperate to undermine and discredit PM - very sad considering how much he’s done for MEs.
And just to repeat, no one is against searching Iran so please stop repeating that misrepresentation.
My head is starting to hurt… I’m really not sure what the latest argument marshalled to discredit PM is. It’s either a “problem” that he’s only looking for DW or that he’s not looking for DW…. I don’t know why he chooses to go to a particular country but when he gets there he recovers ANYTHING he can.
If there’s any 🤮 I’ve missed I apologise to any masochists interested.