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Post by isaacc on Aug 17, 2021 7:31:10 GMT
I hope DWM has some things to clarify and share. It's a truly invaluable resource.
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Richard Develyn
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Living in hope that more missing episodes will come back to us.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Aug 17, 2021 9:32:57 GMT
Realistically, I would never have imagined EOTW was out there, or Web for that matter, though that one was often the subject of much wishful thinking.
Interestingly, the 3 classics of the Troughton era were considered to be Tomb, Evil and Web - so we've not done bad there.
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Post by richardwoods on Aug 17, 2021 12:32:05 GMT
Realistically, I would never have imagined EOTW was out there, or Web for that matter, though that one was often the subject of much wishful thinking. Interestingly, the 3 classics of the Troughton era were considered to be Tomb, Evil and Web - so we've not done bad there. Two (ish) down, one (ish) to go
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Post by John Wall on Aug 17, 2021 12:38:37 GMT
Realistically, I would never have imagined EOTW was out there, or Web for that matter, though that one was often the subject of much wishful thinking. Interestingly, the 3 classics of the Troughton era were considered to be Tomb, Evil and Web - so we've not done bad there. Two (ish) down, one (ish) to go Considering that Evil 2 seems to have come from a batch returned from Australia there’s no reason why another episode or two shouldn’t surface.
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Post by John Wall on Aug 17, 2021 16:03:10 GMT
We’ve previously discussed b&w BluRay sets and I’ll repeat the point I made that the seasons with least MEs are:
Two - two episodes of The Crusades Six - five episodes of Space Pirates One - seven episodes of Marco Polo
The first has issues for animation with costumes, etc, etc but think how another episode could affect the business case for animation, either for a standalone release or as part of a box set.
Space Pirates doesn’t get a lot of attention and I’m not sure how much visual material survives - I don’t think there are telesnaps - but a complete Season 6 isn’t that far away and another recovery, or several, could be transformational.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Aug 17, 2021 17:03:05 GMT
It will be interesting to see what new insights (if any) into the situation DWM will have in it's latest issue.Perhaps they will clarify the facts or confirm PM's knowledge that 6 episodes exist and the progression in negotiations with private collectors about their return. Forgot about the 6 episode comment. Wasn't sure about that one though. I didn't know if he meant 6 episodes he knew for sure existed, or if he meant he speculated at least 6 more could exist based on what is known about the survival rate. The comment regarding two being held by a collector sounded more concrete to me. (Paul I believe was the one that brought them up first).
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Post by RhysH on Aug 17, 2021 17:24:25 GMT
We’ve previously discussed b&w BluRay sets and I’ll repeat the point I made that the seasons with least MEs are: Two - two episodes of The Crusades Six - five episodes of Space Pirates One - seven episodes of Marco Polo The first has issues for animation with costumes, etc, etc but think how another episode could affect the business case for animation, either for a standalone release or as part of a box set. Space Pirates doesn’t get a lot of attention and I’m not sure how much visual material survives - I don’t think there are telesnaps - but a complete Season 6 isn’t that far away and another recovery, or several, could be transformational. Yes, a few people have speculated on The Space Pirates and mentioned that with it's plot it could really benefit from animation potentially. And I think there is an extra on the new Web of Fear set where they mention that no stories are off limits any more - I saw someone post a clip of the extra on Twitter a few days back. So gives us hope for The Crusade and The Highlanders which were previously mentioned a too tough to do with all the costumes and kilts.
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Post by scotttelfer on Aug 17, 2021 21:12:23 GMT
We’ve previously discussed b&w BluRay sets and I’ll repeat the point I made that the seasons with least MEs are: Two - two episodes of The Crusades Six - five episodes of Space Pirates One - seven episodes of Marco Polo The first has issues for animation with costumes, etc, etc but think how another episode could affect the business case for animation, either for a standalone release or as part of a box set. Space Pirates doesn’t get a lot of attention and I’m not sure how much visual material survives - I don’t think there are telesnaps - but a complete Season 6 isn’t that far away and another recovery, or several, could be transformational. Yes, a few people have speculated on The Space Pirates and mentioned that with it's plot it could really benefit from animation potentially. And I think there is an extra on the new Web of Fear set where they mention that no stories are off limits any more - I saw someone post a clip of the extra on Twitter a few days back. So gives us hope for The Crusade and The Highlanders which were previously mentioned a too tough to do with all the costumes and kilts.
The Highlanders is a rather strange case, the Web team seemed genuinely confused as to why the other team had ruled it out. Either way I expect its going to be down to the Big Finish Creative to do it regardless of animation style used going forward.
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Post by lousingh on Aug 17, 2021 22:42:01 GMT
Stuff I know there are at least larger fragments out there: The Power of the Daleks, Episode 1 Traitors (The Dalek Master Plan, Episode 4)
(aside from what Paul and Philip have mentioned) Stuff I have heard are out there, although no confirmation: Another episode of Galaxy Four At least 1 episode of The Highlanders
Guys bragging: Several people connected with upper-level DW fandom in the US who claimed to have seen 65 missing episodes when there were 130+ missing. If true, there are at least 30 more to be found. (One of them tried to pick up a friend of mine at a Con with the draw of seeing a missing episode.)
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Post by John Wall on Aug 17, 2021 22:46:04 GMT
We’ve previously discussed b&w BluRay sets and I’ll repeat the point I made that the seasons with least MEs are: Two - two episodes of The Crusades Six - five episodes of Space Pirates One - seven episodes of Marco Polo The first has issues for animation with costumes, etc, etc but think how another episode could affect the business case for animation, either for a standalone release or as part of a box set. Space Pirates doesn’t get a lot of attention and I’m not sure how much visual material survives - I don’t think there are telesnaps - but a complete Season 6 isn’t that far away and another recovery, or several, could be transformational. Yes, a few people have speculated on The Space Pirates and mentioned that with it's plot it could really benefit from animation potentially. And I think there is an extra on the new Web of Fear set where they mention that no stories are off limits any more - I saw someone post a clip of the extra on Twitter a few days back. So gives us hope for The Crusade and The Highlanders which were previously mentioned a too tough to do with all the costumes and kilts. That’s good to hear 👍 I’ve become a fan of the BluRay box sets - the community here was invaluable in helping me buy a good player 👍 - and would like more. They make my shelves tidier and take up less space 👍 What’s really positive is that everything I hear about the people behind them suggests that they’re fans like us and want to do as good a job as possible 👍 At one time I thought the DVDs were probably the be all and end all of the real series but I was proven wrong - and I ain’t complaining 👍 It proves, I suggest, that quality will sell - things don’t have to be a race to the bottom 👍 I have hopes that they’ll bite the bullet with IOTD1👍 Of the b&w seasons I think that Five will be completed with animation in the fairly near future - a Yeti and a Cybermen story are pretty much no brainers. Two, Six and One are possible, although not without difficulties. Four has done well with animations, but what about Underwater Menace which has two surviving episodes? Highlanders, as it introduces Jaimie, is important but then there’s Smugglers. Three just makes me want to go and cry in a corner 👎 However, to return to the theme of the thread there are quite a few stories where the return of an episode could make a big difference.
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Post by John Wall on Aug 17, 2021 23:22:26 GMT
Stuff I know there are at least larger fragments out there: The Power of the Daleks, Episode 1 Traitors (The Dalek Master Plan, Episode 4) (aside from what Paul and Philip have mentioned) Stuff I have heard are out there, although no confirmation: Another episode of Galaxy Four At least 1 episode of The Highlanders Guys bragging: Several people connected with upper-level DW fandom in the US who claimed to have seen 65 missing episodes when there were 130+ missing. If true, there are at least 30 more to be found. (One of them tried to pick up a friend of mine at a Con with the draw of seeing a missing episode.) Galaxy Four is certainly a possibility - from the Australian returns like Airlock - and would probably push that up the animation list as there’d be two and a third complete episodes. But Season Three would still have a lot missing 👎 I’ve heard about “come and see my etchings” but MEs to get your leg over is pushing it 🤭 I’d like to believe that there are 30 MEs out there but……With the worldwide search since the late 70s I don’t see where they could’ve come from. Probably the only source would’ve been the prints returned to the BBC in the 70s and I don’t see how anyone could easily have obtained dozens of them.
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Post by isaacc on Aug 18, 2021 9:47:11 GMT
I mean, as an Australian myself, I could definitely see someone pulling up in their ute and just taking 200 film cans for their grandpa who's started collecting them.
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Post by Luke Sherlaw on Aug 18, 2021 14:58:49 GMT
Anything from the 1975 Australian Returns cache. This is why I'd rate a return of an episode from Power significantly more likely than an episode from something like Marco Polo, despite the former (wrongfully, imo) being used as the poster child for a serial unfathomably unlikely to get any returns.
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Post by Vaughan Stanger on Aug 18, 2021 16:07:58 GMT
You know, I’m not so sure. Call it a gut feeling but I still think some of Marco Polo will eventually surface. Don’t forget there’s (possibly) a couple of episodes still mouldering away in Iran. I’m watching Marco Polo on Netflix at the moment but no sign of a Police Box so far. I wonder if Iran is included in the half dozen? Not a good part of the world to go ME hunting though……. IIRC Phil stated that at least six MEs were in the hands of film collectors. That would rule out the Iran episodes, if they still exist, which I doubt. (And even if they do, the political changes required to make them accessible boggle the mind.) What interests me rather more is whether Phil has included the pair of Hartnells that Paul knows about in his total, also whether Web 3 is one of the six. If not, then there could be nine MEs that might be returned. Perhaps that's where the "at least" bit of his statement comes from. I get the impression he believes Web 3 is in the hands of a Doctor Who fan, which sounds rather far-fetched to me. Anyway, there are a good few questions I hope DWM (or someone!) will ask Phil at some point, without requiring him to reveal details that should remain private.
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Post by richardwoods on Aug 18, 2021 16:50:23 GMT
I wonder if Iran is included in the half dozen? Not a good part of the world to go ME hunting though……. IIRC Phil stated that at least six MEs were in the hands of film collectors. That would rule out the Iran episodes, if they still exist, which I doubt. (And even if they do, the political changes required to make them accessible boggle the mind.) What interests me rather more is whether Phil has included the pair of Hartnells that Paul knows about in his total, also whether Web 3 is one of the six. If not, then there could be nine MEs that might be returned. Perhaps that's where the "at least" bit of his statement comes from. I get the impression he believes Web 3 is in the hands of a Doctor Who fan, which sounds rather far-fetched to me. Anyway, there are a good few questions I hope DWM (or someone!) will ask Phil at some point, without requiring him to reveal details that should remain private. Individuals can sometimes forge relationships where state to state relationships are completely out of the question, so never say never
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