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Post by alunmagister on Oct 15, 2021 16:41:05 GMT
As someone whose just watched this restored classic I'm almost speechless almost
It's strange that once upon a time - namely the 1980s - this along with Web and Tomb were considered to be not only masterworks of the Troughton era but the show in general. Then the acclaim surrounding Evil seemed to die out and yet now it has returned so if nothing else it shows life is cyclical
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Post by mattg on Oct 17, 2021 12:11:34 GMT
Shamelessly OT (though tangentially related) I thought I’d ask this here to save making a separate thread: What are everyone’s thoughts on a prospective fully animated Daleks’ Masterplan, specifically how it should be handled, released, etc?
Yes, we’ve long been told it isn’t economically viable at present given the sheer amount of time and resources required to animate this ambitious 12 part epic (13 including Mission to the Unknown of course) but presumably it ultimately remains a ‘when’ rather than an ‘if’ at this point. Or so one would hope!
Personally I’d be perfectly happy if it were broken up into two, more manageable parts/development cycles and subsequently released over a two year period to accommodate the immensity of such a project. It would’ve been effective I think to have animated the aforementioned Mission to the Unknown first before episodes 1 to 6 and place it as an ‘appetiser’ along with an animated Galaxy 4 (to emulate both the function and transmission slot of the original). Of course with Galaxy’s imminent release that can’t now happen, but still it could conceivably be placed on another, future animated Hartnell story (The Myth Makers being an obvious candidate of course)…
Anyway, your thoughts? Would you be amenable to waiting a year for the concluding part of Masterplan or would you want the saga issued as just a single release (inevitable budgetary constraints/challenges notwithstanding)? How about in increments over 3 years instead (5 episodes including Mission to the Unknown first followed by 4 and 4)? Would it be better if Mission’ was included on another Hartnell animation as suggested above to replicate its original mandate as a ‘teaser’/pseudo trailer? Am I simply deluding myself that Masterplan’s animation could ever be feasible?!
In the interests of constructive discourse, let me know!
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Post by John Wall on Oct 17, 2021 12:16:16 GMT
If it’s split there’s a risk that the second part doesn’t happen.
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Post by paul stamper on Oct 17, 2021 18:10:28 GMT
Shamelessly OT (though tangentially related) I thought I’d ask this here to save making a separate thread: What are everyone’s thoughts on a prospective fully animated Daleks’ Masterplan, specifically how it should be handled, released, etc? Yes, we’ve long been told it isn’t economically viable at present given the sheer amount of time and resources required to animate this ambitious 12 part epic (13 including Mission to the Unknown of course) but presumably it ultimately remains a ‘when’ rather than an ‘if’ at this point. Or so one would hope! Personally I’d be perfectly happy if it were broken up into two, more manageable parts/development cycles and subsequently released over a two year period to accommodate the immensity of such a project. It would’ve been effective I think to have animated the aforementioned Mission to the Unknown first before episodes 1 to 6 and place it as an ‘appetiser’ along with an animated Galaxy 4 (to emulate both the function and transmission slot of the original). Of course with Galaxy’s imminent release that can’t now happen, but still it could conceivably be placed on another, future animated Hartnell story ( The Myth Makers being an obvious candidate of course)… Anyway, your thoughts? Would you be amenable to waiting a year for the concluding part of Masterplan or would you want the saga issued as just a single release (inevitable budgetary constraints/challenges notwithstanding)? How about in increments over 3 years instead (5 episodes including Mission to the Unknown first followed by 4 and 4)? Could Mission’ be included on another Hartnell animation as suggested above to replicate its original ‘teaser’/pseudo trailer purpose? Am I simply deluding myself that Masterplan’s animation could ever be feasible?!
In the interests of constructive discourse, let me know! I think master plan will be the last story to be animated, given the first dip in to animation was invasion in 2006 and then not again until 2013 and from then until now we have had 12 stories animated (including the forth coming galaxy 4), given this has taken almost 9 years and there are 11 stories left to animate (I think), including mission and master plan, if the do 2 a year it will be 5/6 years until master plan, given enough time hopefully for animation to improve again and come down in cost. I know that doesn’t answer your question so I would be happy if they left if close to the end and did maybe a half split realise with 6 months between.
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Post by richardwoods on Oct 17, 2021 18:42:22 GMT
Nah, forget the nay sayers. It’ll happen alright. Fondly remembered Dalek serial not being animated as too long, give us a break. Prepared to stick my neck out. I recon it will be done including Mission & Feast. In one hit too! Will make a nice Steelbook!
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Post by John Wall on Oct 17, 2021 18:56:29 GMT
Nah, forget the nay sayers. It’ll happen alright. Fondly remembered Dalek serial not being animated as too long, give us a break. Prepared to stick my neck out. I recon it will be done including Mission & Feast. In one hit too! Will make a nice Steelbook! My concern about splitting it is that the first part is done, but sales are poor. Then what happens to the second part? I think it would probably be cheaper to do it all in one go.
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Post by barneyhall on Oct 18, 2021 7:44:02 GMT
My feeling is masterplan will get done. And I think they would aim to do it the style of web in a one hit release. My preference and the better was to do justice would be to split it and do a more traditional animation breaking it into a 7 parter and a 6 parter, charging full whack for the two. I hear and share the concerns that splitting it into 2 is risky as may never do part 2. To that end I'd hope that both released are almost finished together before release of one, with the second one only being delayed enough to give people a financial break and build up hype and excitement. A manufactured delay as some bands do when releasing a double album like system of a down did with hypnotize and mesmerize. I adore your idea about bunging mission to the unknown on the end of galaxy 4 and it's a great shame it didn't happen, with galaxy 4 being a lighter on characters and settings it would of been the perfect candidate to have the tipped off at the end. I'm less enthusiastic about it being thrown into the myth makers purely as that story is going to be a challenge to animate without throwing a one of dalek in there too. Maybe on galaxy4 they could include that student recreation of the episode which I found just as competent a reimagining as any of the animations. Or they might do mission as part of the DMP release 1, the stick it on the galaxy 4 disk or on it's own disk on the blu ray boxset for season 3 when that's ready to come out in 2030ish
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Post by richardwoods on Oct 18, 2021 10:04:25 GMT
My feeling is masterplan will get done. And I think they would aim to do it the style of web in a one hit release. My preference and the better was to do justice would be to split it and do a more traditional animation breaking it into a 7 parter and a 6 parter, charging full whack for the two. I hear and share the concerns that splitting it into 2 is risky as may never do part 2. To that end I'd hope that both released are almost finished together before release of one, with the second one only being delayed enough to give people a financial break and build up hype and excitement. A manufactured delay as some bands do when releasing a double album like system of a down did with hypnotize and mesmerize. I adore your idea about bunging mission to the unknown on the end of galaxy 4 and it's a great shame it didn't happen, with galaxy 4 being a lighter on characters and settings it would of been the perfect candidate to have the tipped off at the end. I'm less enthusiastic about it being thrown into the myth makers purely as that story is going to be a challenge to animate without throwing a one of dalek in there too. Maybe on galaxy4 they could include that student recreation of the episode which I found just as competent a reimagining as any of the animations. Or they might do mission as part of the DMP release 1, the stick it on the galaxy 4 disk or on it's own disk on the blu ray boxset for season 3 when that's ready to come out in 2030ish God no! Not that, anything but that. Let’s hope they see sense & go with the Evil high quality animation rather than prat’s waving their arms about & Mrs Bakers year 4 art class doing the animation. You would hope that sensible heads prevail.😉
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Post by richardwoods on Oct 18, 2021 10:08:52 GMT
Mind you, thank goodness Daleks don’t have arms. Would they be waving their sink plunger & gun around too much in this style of animation I wonder?
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Post by John Wall on Oct 18, 2021 11:20:53 GMT
One thing that has to be considered wrt animations is the audio. Every ME audio, I believe, survives, but some are better than others.
In terms of the style of animation I hope that the powers that be are taking note of the feedback.
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Post by richardwoods on Oct 18, 2021 13:07:26 GMT
One thing that has to be considered wrt animations is the audio. Every ME audio, I believe, survives, but some are better than others. In terms of the style of animation I hope that the powers that be are taking note of the feedback. You & me both. What level of quality are the audio recordings for Masterplan? Mission seems pretty good from the Levine animation.
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Post by barneyhall on Oct 18, 2021 13:54:15 GMT
My feeling is masterplan will get done. And I think they would aim to do it the style of web in a one hit release. My preference and the better was to do justice would be to split it and do a more traditional animation breaking it into a 7 parter and a 6 parter, charging full whack for the two. I hear and share the concerns that splitting it into 2 is risky as may never do part 2. To that end I'd hope that both released are almost finished together before release of one, with the second one only being delayed enough to give people a financial break and build up hype and excitement. A manufactured delay as some bands do when releasing a double album like system of a down did with hypnotize and mesmerize. I adore your idea about bunging mission to the unknown on the end of galaxy 4 and it's a great shame it didn't happen, with galaxy 4 being a lighter on characters and settings it would of been the perfect candidate to have the tipped off at the end. I'm less enthusiastic about it being thrown into the myth makers purely as that story is going to be a challenge to animate without throwing a one of dalek in there too. Maybe on galaxy4 they could include that student recreation of the episode which I found just as competent a reimagining as any of the animations. Or they might do mission as part of the DMP release 1, the stick it on the galaxy 4 disk or on it's own disk on the blu ray boxset for season 3 when that's ready to come out in 2030ish God no! Not that, anything but that. Let’s hope they see sense & go with the Evil high quality animation rather than prat’s waving their arms about & Mrs Bakers year 4 art class doing the animation. You would hope that sensible heads prevail.😉 Oh I would hate it to be the web animation style I have been very vocal on my displeasure of it. I just think they will go down that route and use the crutch of it's like animating 3 4 partners because of the amount if setting and characters ect. I think we have all been (rightly so) much harsher on web because it was a single episode the effort and cost to do a good quality animation on a one off ep is much less that that of a full 7 parter. As with all things we will just have to see but I do think over time they will complete them all
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Post by mattg on Oct 18, 2021 14:34:47 GMT
Shamelessly OT (though tangentially related) I thought I’d ask this here to save making a separate thread: What are everyone’s thoughts on a prospective fully animated Daleks’ Masterplan, specifically how it should be handled, released, etc? Yes, we’ve long been told it isn’t economically viable at present given the sheer amount of time and resources required to animate this ambitious 12 part epic (13 including Mission to the Unknown of course) but presumably it ultimately remains a ‘when’ rather than an ‘if’ at this point. Or so one would hope! Personally I’d be perfectly happy if it were broken up into two, more manageable parts/development cycles and subsequently released over a two year period to accommodate the immensity of such a project. It would’ve been effective I think to have animated the aforementioned Mission to the Unknown first before episodes 1 to 6 and place it as an ‘appetiser’ along with an animated Galaxy 4 (to emulate both the function and transmission slot of the original). Of course with Galaxy’s imminent release that can’t now happen, but still it could conceivably be placed on another, future animated Hartnell story ( The Myth Makers being an obvious candidate of course)… Anyway, your thoughts? Would you be amenable to waiting a year for the concluding part of Masterplan or would you want the saga issued as just a single release (inevitable budgetary constraints/challenges notwithstanding)? How about in increments over 3 years instead (5 episodes including Mission to the Unknown first followed by 4 and 4)? Could Mission’ be included on another Hartnell animation as suggested above to replicate its original ‘teaser’/pseudo trailer purpose? Am I simply deluding myself that Masterplan’s animation could ever be feasible?!
In the interests of constructive discourse, let me know! I think master plan will be the last story to be animated, given the first dip in to animation was invasion in 2006 and then not again until 2013 and from then until now we have had 12 stories animated (including the forth coming galaxy 4), given this has taken almost 9 years and there are 11 stories left to animate (I think), including mission and master plan, if the do 2 a year it will be 5/6 years until master plan, given enough time hopefully for animation to improve again and come down in cost. I know that doesn’t answer your question so I would be happy if they left if close to the end and did maybe a half split realise with 6 months between. Well given the sizeable undertaking of ‘Masterplan sadly you’re probably correct in positing that it’s likely to be the very last animated story. Needless to say though as one of my longtime favourites I hope it will, bad pun intended, materialise in due course. There’s also the not unreasonable hope that the animations will moderately improve before then as well as become more economically efficient of which ‘Masterplan can hopefully benefit from when it’s (presumably) eventually commissioned. In the meantime I guess I’ll have to content myself with the other stories I’m eagerly anticipating be given a new lease of life in animated form: The Wheel in Space, The Massacre and guiltiest of guilty pleasures The Space Pirates (well I enjoy it)….
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Post by John Wall on Oct 18, 2021 14:38:56 GMT
Everything crossed 👍
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Post by Robert Lia on Oct 19, 2021 1:13:40 GMT
It will come just give it time, I remember back in 2006 when "The Invasion" was released and they said there would be no more but they have come slowly but they are coming, after all they just animated 7 episodes in a row in "Evil of the Daleks" so what's another 6 episodes . . .
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