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Post by Jeff Leach on Feb 10, 2021 2:52:16 GMT
I think where the BBC is concerned, there's an element of restricting the availability of their past output as It doesn't sit well with "current" way of thinking and to a lesser degree ITV - There is precious little pre-1980 tv (the likes of Rising Damp and similar being the predictable exceptions) I would willingly pay for classic tv if the rights owners would make them available. OK.RU still has a fair bit of rare stuff available.
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Post by RWels on Feb 10, 2021 13:44:07 GMT
The problem is, I think, that everyone here is thinking of the good examples that perfectly support their own opinion. There are respectless people and there are also cases where a program was never going to go anywhere and the few hundred youtube viewers are genuinely moved to see it. Both scenarios happen. (The Royal Family reminded me of Hardwicke House... when it finally became available - it now seems it already was on a torrent site in late 2020 - it wasn't the least bit shocking.) There are both types of people and we all like seeing stuff. But that doesn't make it OK to "share" to an audience without permission. People who take stuff always have an endless supply of reasons for doing it. Content doesn't have to "go anywhere" ever if the copyright holder doesn't want it to. That's the bottom line. The question is how can we change things so that copyright holders want to. The problem is that following all rules all the time everywhere is for most people not a goal in itself. That's a bit like waiting for the light to cross a road that is being dug up. What if a cast member or creator uploads a video that is technically the property of some hedge fund that couldn't care less? Is that also "an endless supply of reasons" for not doing it by the book? Would you refuse to watch?
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Post by John Marshall on Feb 10, 2021 14:41:23 GMT
The problem is, I think, that everyone here is thinking of the good examples that perfectly support their own opinion. There are respectless people and there are also cases where a program was never going to go anywhere and the few hundred youtube viewers are genuinely moved to see it. Both scenarios happen. (The Royal Family reminded me of Hardwicke House... when it finally became available - it now seems it already was on a torrent site in late 2020 - it wasn't the least bit shocking.) There are both types of people and we all like seeing stuff. But that doesn't make it OK to "share" to an audience without permission. People who take stuff always have an endless supply of reasons for doing it. Content doesn't have to "go anywhere" ever if the copyright holder doesn't want it to. That's the bottom line. The question is how can we change things so that copyright holders want to. They are NEVER going to change. Disney bought Star Wars and still haven't restored the original films (fans are though) and are actually trying to destroy it on purpose. Everything you want to see can be deemed bigoted in some post modernist leftist way. Its over. I see fans uploading totp clips without Jimmy Saville now...WHY?! These mega corporations are run by faceless political actors that are trying to find a meaning in their post education world. If Disney is trying to destroy Luke Skywalker because he's a straight white male and they can make billions off of it why would the BBC who you are forced to pay for do anything you want? Also, how many people still deserve a dime from a show produced 50 years ago? Music clearances and all I understand but even that has its faceless corp think behind it. If nobody can pay to have your product shown.....well there's a reason the kids don't still know who you are.
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Post by RWels on Feb 10, 2021 15:35:57 GMT
There are both types of people and we all like seeing stuff. But that doesn't make it OK to "share" to an audience without permission. People who take stuff always have an endless supply of reasons for doing it. Content doesn't have to "go anywhere" ever if the copyright holder doesn't want it to. That's the bottom line. The question is how can we change things so that copyright holders want to. They are NEVER going to change. Disney bought Star Wars and still haven't restored the original films (fans are though) and are actually trying to destroy it on purpose. Everything you want to see can be deemed bigoted in some post modernist leftist way. Its over. I see fans uploading totp clips without Jimmy Saville now...WHY?! These mega corporations are run by faceless political actors that are trying to find a meaning in their post education world. If Disney is trying to destroy Luke Skywalker because he's a straight white male and they can make billions off of it why would the BBC who you are forced to pay for do anything you want? Also, how many people still deserve a dime from a show produced 50 years ago? Music clearances and all I understand but even that has its faceless corp think behind it. If nobody can pay to have your product shown.....well there's a reason the kids don't still know who you are. Wait, so they're faceless corporations AND they're leftist? You're playing two records at the same time here. By the way, bit off topic, but how do we know Luke is straight?
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Post by petercheck on Feb 10, 2021 16:10:53 GMT
I have to ask... what has most of this got to do with "Top of The Pops + Music Shows"?
Seems pointless having the same thing posted and discussed in 2 different sections (I personally am only really interested in discussing and collecting music TV shows and movies).
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Post by Thomas Walsh on Feb 10, 2021 16:32:23 GMT
Are we any closer to finding a 'Honeybus' or 'Idle Race' film clip after all this?
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Post by petercheck on Feb 10, 2021 16:41:16 GMT
Are we any closer to finding a 'Honeybus' or 'Idle Race' film clip after all this? If only (and no Larry Williams or Arthur Alexander either!).
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Post by Glenn Curtis on Feb 10, 2021 22:03:03 GMT
I suppose in my ignorance I had always imagined that the BBC would have made available for purchase from their failed BBC Store the kinds of stuff that was available on YouTube like The Generation Game.
I’d have always been willing to pay for the programmes as I just wanted to see them.
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Post by stevehoare61 on Feb 13, 2021 13:24:00 GMT
Agree Glenn, I really dont understand the logic of having vast Archives of material, with Collectors and Hunters retrieving and returning lost material , if it is simply going to rot away on shelves for the rest of time. Clearances and rights etc has always been an excuse, but they can be dealt with, and then channels like Talking Pictures TV, can show even more classic tv, which at least we can watch and record if we wish.
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Post by RWels on Feb 13, 2021 13:52:55 GMT
Do Talking Pictures show TOTP/music shows?
Because outside that area, drama/comedy has had so many things released over the years that I don't think it's justified to complain. And I know how to complain if I want to! But a lot has been steadily appearing over the years. Sure, there are still things left, just waiting. Who knows if they will make it to DVD at this late stage. But compared to ten years ago it's less and less.
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Feb 13, 2021 14:47:48 GMT
I have no doubt that if the BBC continues in anything like its present form there will eventually come a time when its entire archive will be available to view online. Unfortunatley this will be far too late for those of us who remember black and white TV to revisit our childhood favourties. Like others I have never understood why the Beeb - who are often making cutbacks and seeking new sources of income - won't sell copies of archive material to individuals particularly when most of the ITV companies,who will surely be faced with the same rights issues, do.
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Post by TonyDow on Mar 13, 2021 8:57:28 GMT
Well there's so many episodes of totp that i fondly recall and would like to see again. So much has been discovered in the past decade yet never to be seen by the viewing public. Its absolutely ludicrous.
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Post by garygraham on Mar 27, 2021 12:09:50 GMT
There's a threshold for breaking even. A programme will need a certain number of purchases/viewers to make it worth doing everything that must be done to bring it to the screen. They may have to: obtain a copy, restore it, investigate what rights must be cleared and pay for those or edit the programme to remove certain things, prepare the DVD or online file, make the promo artwork, encode the web page. Many hours of work. Also the market for 405 line material must be shrinking by the year.
Things are in the archives but mostly not in a form that can be made available without work. Once you put something on a website, within a couple of years the page and possibly the video file will need updating to work with the latest browsers. So it isn't a one time job.
Ironically, in part, it's unviable because there is a such a huge amount of content out there to choose from. And people don't want to pay a price which reflects the actual cost. The fact that a small number of people want something doesn't make it viable.
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