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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jan 27, 2021 19:35:24 GMT
I've found three missing films; the trailer is for 'Brother Martin, Servant of Jesus', 1942 (sounds fun), and 'No, No, Nanette', which is an early part-Technicolor thing directed by the wonderfully named Clarence Badger.
....and also 'Lilies of the Field', directed by Alexander Korda, 1930.
All exist at UCLA.
They were located last night in 21 minutes; 1130pm to 1151pm.
If only everything were that easy.
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Post by richardmarson on Jan 27, 2021 20:57:55 GMT
If they were at UCLA then surely they weren't missing?
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Post by RWels on Jan 27, 2021 21:46:01 GMT
If they were at UCLA then surely they weren't missing? Logic is on your side - but then at least Ray has corrected a common misconception. But I get what you're saying, the UCLA, that's a bit hiding in plain sight. Don't want to lessen Ray's work, though. |
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jan 28, 2021 0:29:39 GMT
If they were at UCLA then surely they weren't missing? Logic is on your side - but then at least Ray has corrected a common misconception. But I get what you're saying, the UCLA, that's a bit hiding in plain sight. Don't want to lessen Ray's work, though. Much of what I do is signposting. It needs to be done. Let's start with these three films themselves, they weren't known about and noted as existing by anyone outside of UCLA's staff in the past; UCLA have had them for YEARS, but not one single film company or collector had spotted them. As an example, something else I located years ago was one episode of "Around the World with Orson Welles"-'the Third Man Returns to Vienna'. The episode I found wasn't known about to anyone outside of the Library I found it in; certainly the copyright holders didn't know it existed, the Orson Welles Appreciation Society didn't, neither did Wellesnet, or Kaleidoscope, or the BFI....or any collectors....or the general public, basically noone on the planet, and it was listed in what was lostshows at the time as junked. I'd call that 'missing'.... I contacted Grey Film Sepirs (the copyright holders) about my discovery, and within two years it was issued on DVD and Blu-Ray DVD. Success! While not all examples are like that, the main reason I often publicize the bejesus out of my finds is in the hope that other people will say 'if that f###ing eejit can do it, so can I!', and then discover lost programmes or films themselves. I want as much missing broadcasting found as possible, and I don't care who finds it; the more the merrier! I know my terminology frequently annoys people, as does my enthusiasm. Either blame it on my Asperger's or blame it on the boogie. One last thing, if, purely as an example, a Doctor Who turns up in an overseas archive somewhere, and I find it, shall I disregard it because it's been there years and it's therefore, by this reasoning, "not missing"? |
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Post by tom rogers on Jan 28, 2021 0:41:48 GMT
Ray,
You just flat-out ROCK!
Kepp up the amazing work!
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Post by Peter Stirling on Jan 28, 2021 1:00:08 GMT
Hey Ray - one for your back burner that will quietly irritate you until you find it.
Farewell Performance 1963 - modest B production that mysteriously went missing in er.....1963
apparently the director 6 months after release requested a 16mm copy for an office viewing and could not even
obtain that.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jan 28, 2021 1:01:35 GMT
Hey Ray - one for your back burner that will quietly irritate you until you find it. Farewell Performance 1963 - modest B production that mysteriously went missing in er.....1963 apparently the director 6 months after release requested a 16mm copy for an office viewing and could not even obtain that. The one with the Joe Meek acts, right? I've looked for that. No luck yet. I'll keep looking. |
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Post by richardmarson on Jan 28, 2021 9:18:12 GMT
Ray; fwiw you don't irritate me at all, I think it's great that you do what you do. I guess I'd just say 'identified' or 'located' rather than 'missing' for something which you trace to an established and secure library or archive.
But what's in a word?! Keep hunting!
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jan 28, 2021 11:27:23 GMT
Ray; fwiw you don't irritate me at all, I think it's great that you do what you do. I guess I'd just say 'identified' or 'located' rather than 'missing' for something which you trace to an established and secure library or archive. But what's in a word?! Keep hunting! Thank you Richard.  |
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Post by petercheck on Jan 28, 2021 15:00:14 GMT
Hey Ray - one for your back burner that will quietly irritate you until you find it. Farewell Performance 1963 - modest B production that mysteriously went missing in er.....1963 apparently the director 6 months after release requested a 16mm copy for an office viewing and could not even obtain that. The one with the Joe Meek acts, right? I've looked for that. No luck yet. I'll keep looking. This is up there with 'Hawaiian Boy' (1959, featuring Carl Perkins and Roy Hamilton) and 'Africa Shakes' (1966, featuring Brian Poole and The Tremeloes) as the top 3 movies I'd love to see! |
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jan 28, 2021 15:16:38 GMT
The one with the Joe Meek acts, right? I've looked for that. No luck yet. I'll keep looking. This is up there with 'Hawaiian Boy' (1959, featuring Carl Perkins and Roy Hamilton) and 'Africa Shakes' (1966, featuring Brian Poole and The Tremeloes) as the top 3 movies I'd love to see! Hi Peter, good to hear from you. No luck with those yet. They need to be added to the wikipedia list of lost films. |
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Post by Jeff Leach on Jan 29, 2021 0:52:31 GMT
The one with the Joe Meek acts, right? I've looked for that. No luck yet. I'll keep looking. This is up there with 'Hawaiian Boy' (1959, featuring Carl Perkins and Roy Hamilton) and 'Africa Shakes' (1966, featuring Brian Poole and The Tremeloes) as the top 3 movies I'd love to see! Africa Shakes has intrigued me for several years Peter - would love to see it - I put a few photo's up on the IMDB page for the film. |
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jan 29, 2021 14:11:04 GMT
I've found three missing films; the trailer is for 'Brother Martin, Servant of Jesus', 1942 (sounds fun), and 'No, No, Nanette', which is an early part-Technicolor thing directed by the wonderfully named Clarence Badger. ....and also 'Lilies of the Field', directed by Alexander Korda, 1930. All exist at UCLA. They were located last night in 21 minutes; 1130pm to 1151pm. If only everything were that easy. Not quite as easy as you think Ray. 'Brother Martin, Servant of Jesus' is indeed a 35mm nitrate print of the trailer for the feature film which doesn't exist. It might sound sacrilegious but I don't think there is anyone alive that truly mourns its loss. The other two are the well catalogued Vitaphone discs, not the films, that were donated by Warner IIRC quite some years ago. These are part of a very interesting collection that includes the Ernst Lubitsch 1928 film The Patriot that was shot as a silent but then had a new soundtrack created, and from the same year the D.W. Griffith comedy 'The Battle of the Sexes'. These both have a very interesting history, but the rest of the collection is also very enlightening as you may discover if you look into it further. Re: Lilies of the Field; you neglected to mention that the trailer for that is also there, albeit in Vitaphone sound only. Oh, and the BFI hold some Technicolor nitrate of 'No, No, Nanette. Just 160ft so probably just one short scene. All you need to do now is find the actual films and then you can marry up the sound! Paul |
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Post by John Green on Jan 29, 2021 14:31:52 GMT
While it's tempting to go into Jim Trott mode when discussing No, No, Nannette, I supose I'd better not!
Somewhere I've got a disc of what I think is all the surviving footage of the film.
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Post by RWels on Jan 29, 2021 14:36:00 GMT
I've found three missing films; the trailer is for 'Brother Martin, Servant of Jesus', 1942 (sounds fun), and 'No, No, Nanette', which is an early part-Technicolor thing directed by the wonderfully named Clarence Badger. ....and also 'Lilies of the Field', directed by Alexander Korda, 1930. All exist at UCLA. They were located last night in 21 minutes; 1130pm to 1151pm. If only everything were that easy. Not quite as easy as you think Ray. 'Brother Martin, Servant of Jesus' is indeed a 35mm nitrate print of the trailer for the feature film which doesn't exist. It might sound sacrilegious but I don't think there is anyone alive that truly mourns its loss. The other two are the well catalogued Vitaphone discs, not the films, that were donated by Warner IIRC quite some years ago. These are part of a very interesting collection that includes the Ernst Lubitsch 1928 film The Patriot that was shot as a silent but then had a new soundtrack created, and from the same year the D.W. Griffith comedy 'The Battle of the Sexes'. These both have a very interesting history, but the rest of the collection is also very enlightening as you may discover if you look into it further. Re: Lilies of the Field; you neglected to mention that the trailer for that is also there, albeit in Vitaphone sound only. Oh, and the BFI hold some Technicolor nitrate of 'No, No, Nanette. Just 160ft so probably just one short scene. All you need to do now is find the actual films and then you can marry up the sound! Paul The "Vitaphone Project" has been doing that for the past few decades - reuniting reels with discs: www.picking.com/vitaphone.htmlSlowed down a bit by a respected key figure dying a year ago though.  |
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