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Post by kurt devery on Jun 16, 2021 22:14:00 GMT
I wonder if i could please get clarity on the following: 1) do the episode's have info text on them 2) is the missing years documentary going to feature an update Thanks in advance for any replies
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Post by rebeccajansen on Jun 18, 2021 19:16:34 GMT
I fear that no matter how much effort is put into animation of any kind on these I am still going to prefer a tele-snaps versions for missing episodes. I think they did particularly well with tele-snaps to complete the Galaxy 4 story. Power Of The Daleks is probably going to stand as the last of the animation releases I'm going to bother with, I feel vintage Who just can't be re-made successfully.
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Post by DavidGreene on Jun 21, 2021 3:28:46 GMT
So saw the animation and it's ...okay. It serves its function but I feel we've had better presentations in the past but it looks decent enough.
The thing that I'm questioning in that clip is "Full Color Presentation" Does this mean they're colorizing the entire serial? For the completely missing stories and The Faceless Ones, that made some sense since they were basically fully recreating those stories. Here though, they only have the one episode, so why have it be in color?
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Post by barneyhall on Jun 21, 2021 7:09:26 GMT
I basically said the same thing about the original power animation, it was never in colour so why both when afriend of mine who does animation (nothing who related)said animating in b and w is actually quite hard to get the lighting right ect and that it was far easier to animate in colour and then grayscale it afterwards.and if you already have a colour version you may as well include it as an option on the disc. Be annoyed if to watch it b and w isnt an option though as that my preference for viewing 60's who.......call me weird I really wish there was an option on the season 10 boxset to watch ep 3 of plant of the daleks in black and white....its how I first watched it at age 3 and don't get me wrong the recolour of it is excellent but I just have some nostalgia that every few watch throughs I'd like to fulfill lol
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Post by richardwoods on Jun 21, 2021 17:08:38 GMT
I fear that no matter how much effort is put into animation of any kind on these I am still going to prefer a tele-snaps versions for missing episodes. I think they did particularly well with tele-snaps to complete the Galaxy 4 story. Power Of The Daleks is probably going to stand as the last of the animation releases I'm going to bother with, I feel vintage Who just can't be re-made successfully. Worryingly I’m beginning to agree. As most of the forum knows I’ve been a great supporter of animation of episodes. All that is needed is a certain level of consistency in the type and quality of animation used, and perhaps, dare I suggest it, limit colour animation to fully animated serials. I found Fury a hard watch, I thought the animation was not very good quality, (gah! those arms!!!) and too many liberties were taken with not representing the original film. I really don’t like the look of WOF3 either.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Aug 18, 2021 3:02:08 GMT
So what do people think?
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Post by isaacc on Aug 18, 2021 9:45:50 GMT
I'm not a fan. I'll stick with the telesnaps thanks.
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Post by odysseaschristou on Aug 18, 2021 11:54:10 GMT
Ok, so I have seen the animated episode, and it is meant to be some kind of joke right? In that case, can someone please point me to the Easter egg that contains the proper animation.
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Post by barneyhall on Aug 19, 2021 22:27:03 GMT
So I've seen it... I have to say the release was worth buying in my opinion for the documentary going underground. The animation is sadly terrible. The featurette with the production company justifying the artistic style is basically this process produces reusable skeletons and we can quickly change a characters costume without re drawing it. They also mention motion capture to get more realistic movement....but I'd say the arm movements and the gestures when characters are talking are often worse than fury....its like watching the cinematic from an n64 or at best a ps2 game. Finally saying that no story is off limits I.e. number of settings or characters. I can't stress how much I want every missing episode to be animated (it's the best we will get) it really would be a shame if something like marco polo was done this way rather than the more traditional animations we've had. I duno I'm just disheartened. If the option was them never being animated or being done badly. Something is better than nothing but when so much love is done on other releases it's a shame that some of the great will get this less than ideal treatment. Is there anywhere to respectfully protest this animation method?
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Post by barneyhall on Aug 19, 2021 22:39:41 GMT
I am aware that last post looks a little entitled. Please understand it comes from a place of love. I just feel this new animation process is a huge jump back not a leap forward.
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Post by John Wall on Aug 19, 2021 23:55:07 GMT
I am aware that last post looks a little entitled. Please understand it comes from a place of love. I just feel this new animation process is a huge jump back not a leap forward. I haven’t seen it but perhaps it’s something that can be fine tuned?
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Post by richardwoods on Aug 20, 2021 7:28:28 GMT
So I've seen it... I have to say the release was worth buying in my opinion for the documentary going underground. The animation is sadly terrible. The featurette with the production company justifying the artistic style is basically this process produces reusable skeletons and we can quickly change a characters costume without re drawing it. They also mention motion capture to get more realistic movement....but I'd say the arm movements and the gestures when characters are talking are often worse than fury....its like watching the cinematic from an n64 or at best a ps2 game. Finally saying that no story is off limits I.e. number of settings or characters. I can't stress how much I want every missing episode to be animated (it's the best we will get) it really would be a shame if something like marco polo was done this way rather than the more traditional animations we've had. I duno I'm just disheartened. If the option was them never being animated or being done badly. Something is better than nothing but when so much love is done on other releases it's a shame that some of the great will get this less than ideal treatment. Is there anywhere to respectfully protest this animation method? Well said Barney. I’ve just been on Roobarb & there are many on there reflecting this point of view.
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Post by richardwoods on Aug 20, 2021 7:29:59 GMT
I am aware that last post looks a little entitled. Please understand it comes from a place of love. I just feel this new animation process is a huge jump back not a leap forward. I haven’t seen it but perhaps it’s something that can be fine tuned? Nope. Let’s hope that the decision makers realise that this is perhaps not the way to go, as the feedback I’ve seen is far from positive overall. It’s a real shame that the decision to try this was made for the serial that is arguably the jewel in the crown of surviving 60’s Who.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Aug 20, 2021 10:26:36 GMT
I am aware that last post looks a little entitled. Please understand it comes from a place of love. I just feel this new animation process is a huge jump back not a leap forward. I haven’t seen it but perhaps it’s something that can be fine tuned? Absolutely, and I'm sure it will be. Let's face it, without exception, every single animation has been very vocally criticised from one sector of fandom or another - this isn't right, that looks terrible, I don't like this or that, so the similar reaction to this one is not surprising in the least. Evil will be exactly the same next month. That said, this method does have some great potential. Every new technique a learning curve and continual improvement can be made. We've seen it over the life span of the DVDs and now Blu-rays. Things that were done to the absolute best of the team's ability at one point can now be surpassed and exceeded because of the lessons learned along the way. This is no different.
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Post by richardwoods on Aug 20, 2021 11:54:45 GMT
I haven’t seen it but perhaps it’s something that can be fine tuned? Absolutely, and I'm sure it will be. Let's face it, without exception, every single animation has been very vocally criticised from one sector of fandom or another - this isn't right, that looks terrible, I don't like this or that, so the similar reaction to this one is not surprising in the least. Evil will be exactly the same next month. That said, this method does have some great potential. Every new technique a learning curve and continual improvement can be made. We've seen it over the life span of the DVDs and now Blu-rays. Things that were done to the absolute best of the team's ability at one point can now be surpassed and exceeded because of the lessons learned along the way. This is no different. I’m sorry Richard, it’s easy but disingenuous to attempt to dismiss the widespread negativity in that way, ie it’s just fandom reacting as they always react. All we need to do is compare the primitive standard of animation used on Web 3 with the very high standard of animation in the trailer for Evil of the Daleks and draw our own conclusions.
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