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Post by Richard Marple on Oct 15, 2020 9:57:12 GMT
I remember hearing about the missing scene from Spartacus that was found as a mute film.
Luckily Tony Curtis could sound like his younger self to dub it, but another actor had passed on & had to be dubbed by Anthony Hopkins who managed to sound close enough.
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Post by garyfreeman on Oct 15, 2020 10:52:44 GMT
Its funny how time plays tricks on you. I was a small boy whe " all our yesterdays" was transmitted but would swear that Brian Inglis presented this sat in a chair and it had the occasional guest?? Shame nothing exists!
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Post by RWels on Oct 15, 2020 15:00:19 GMT
I remember hearing about the missing scene from Spartacus that was found as a mute film. Luckily Tony Curtis could sound like his younger self to dub it, but another actor had passed on & had to be dubbed by Anthony Hopkins who managed to sound close enough. The snails and oysters, nudge nudge bit. Funny thing is, it's still reported as news even today, but I believe it was restored in 1991. That's closer to the original release than it is to us here and now! Murder at Moorstones Manor, it was cut down for time, and the main deleted scene survives as mute film. A well-known popular video site has the sequence with subtitles. Your tape probably doesn't have it; a repeat is no good, that's where the trouble started. There's an off air audio but even that is too late. (Although, if conventional wisdown is wrong, then maybe it wasn't even ever aired at all. But I always understood that it was.) I would imagine, depending on the ‘availability’ of the actors involved, that Michael Palin, (assuming he has the main part in the missing scene) would be up for making a new soundtrack. Would be a nice selling point for a new Blue-ray release. For some reason, they almost never do that. I wish they did, but they don't. In some productions "Automatic Dialogue Replacement" is quite common, but I guess it's too much trouble for Network or whoever. Remember, Network doesn't even include subtitles unless the BBC makes them do it. But movies too - Mad Mad Mad World or Private Life of Sherlock Holmes both missed a chance. In fact, Spartacus is practically the only example. It's currently being done, hopefully, for a vintage "movie serial" and it was considered for a pythonesque sketch by Orson Welles about a London Club - but even lipreaders couldn't figure out what was he was saying because of the heavy make-up. The relevant Ripping Yarns thread is here: missingepisodes.proboards.com/thread/611/ripping-yarnsThe missing voices belonged to Isabel Dean as Lady Chiddingfold and Gilly Flower and Barbara New as the Jehovah's Witnesses, all now sadly departed. I think I can remember watching it with my father, so I think it was broadcast. I read somewhere (which I cannot now find) that the audio had been found, but I've seen no corroboration since, so that was probably fake news. No there is a good quality audio recording, but it's missing the scene, so it must have come from a repeat. Anyway, we're drifting off topic here, sorry about that garyb!
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Post by garyb on Oct 15, 2020 16:10:55 GMT
Not at all. It's all fascinating stuff, the minutiae of this subject. The output of material today is so enormous it boggles the mind how all of could it possibly be preserved, especially when stuff as recent as the 80s has disappreared.
Incidentally, I've now corresponded with Chris at Kaleidoscope and I'll be sending the tapes onto him. I might try recording the All Our Yesterday's segment beforehand but don't have any experience copying digitally from an old reel to reel player. If anyone has any tips they would be gratefully received.
Gary
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Post by richardwoods on Oct 15, 2020 16:30:59 GMT
Not at all. It's all fascinating stuff, the minutiae of this subject. The output of material today is so enormous it boggles the mind how all of could it possibly be preserved, especially when stuff as recent as the 80s has disappreared. Incidentally, I've now corresponded with Chris at Kaleidoscope and I'll be sending the tapes onto him. I might try recording the All Our Yesterday's segment beforehand but don't have any experience copying digitally from an old reel to reel player. If anyone has any tips they would be gratefully received. Gary I’m old school & use a CD Recorder to copy from reel to reel tapes. Obviously this doesn’t give you the restoration opportunities that software does but if the source is good it is simple to do & probably, because of the type of laser in this sort or recorder, and the CD-R Audio media used, the best quality way to reproduce the original recordings on a reasonable budget.
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Post by RWels on Oct 15, 2020 16:39:04 GMT
Not at all. It's all fascinating stuff, the minutiae of this subject. The output of material today is so enormous it boggles the mind how all of could it possibly be preserved, especially when stuff as recent as the 80s has disappreared. Incidentally, I've now corresponded with Chris at Kaleidoscope and I'll be sending the tapes onto him. I might try recording the All Our Yesterday's segment beforehand but don't have any experience copying digitally from an old reel to reel player. If anyone has any tips they would be gratefully received. Gary If you have a PC, then the chances are that it has a line-in. Essentially, with some free software, you can record the "incoming" audio while it's playing. If you set the levels properly then it can be quite good. The biggest issue is that you - probably - need a cable from audio DIN to headphone type connector. Does this look as if it might fit?
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Oct 15, 2020 20:15:29 GMT
Incidentally, I've now corresponded with Chris at Kaleidoscope and I'll be sending the tapes onto him. I might try recording the All Our Yesterday's segment beforehand but don't have any experience copying digitally from an old reel to reel player. If anyone has any tips they would be gratefully received. Gary I would strongly advise making a copy of the material before surrendering the original. Assuming of course the content is of interest to yourself.
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Post by garyb on Oct 17, 2020 12:54:47 GMT
Thanks everyone for the tips and advice.
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Post by garyb on Dec 26, 2020 18:42:10 GMT
Hello, I sent my tapes to Chris at Kaleidoscope. I can only assume he received them safely as there was no acknowledgement they'd arrived. For anyone interested I've uploaded the Barnes Wallis interview onto my You Tube channel here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=25vh8U3b9LE
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Post by garygraham on Dec 27, 2020 9:02:29 GMT
I sent my tapes to Chris at Kaleidoscope. I can only assume he received them safely as there was no acknowledgement they'd arrived. Nice...
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Post by Peter Stirling on Dec 27, 2020 11:03:33 GMT
Its funny how time plays tricks on you. I was a small boy whe " all our yesterdays" was transmitted but would swear that Brian Inglis presented this sat in a chair and it had the occasional guest?? Shame nothing exists! Think you're right IIRC Brian Inglis presenting newscaster style, giving comment and insight to the films showing.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Dec 27, 2020 11:16:22 GMT
I sent my tapes to Chris at Kaleidoscope. I can only assume he received them safely as there was no acknowledgement they'd arrived. Hmm. Not really a surprise. I think it highly unlikely you will ever see the tapes again. Good luck. Regarding 'Murder at Moorstones Manor' a complete sound recording does exist. Regards, Paul
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Post by richardwoods on Dec 27, 2020 14:48:45 GMT
I sent my tapes to Chris at Kaleidoscope. I can only assume he received them safely as there was no acknowledgement they'd arrived. Hmm. Not really a surprise. I think it highly unlikely you will ever see the tapes again. Good luck. Regarding 'Murder at Moorstones Manor' a complete sound recording does exist. Regards, Paul Well the second bit’s good news!
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Post by RWels on Dec 27, 2020 15:53:05 GMT
Hmm. Not really a surprise. I think it highly unlikely you will ever see the tapes again. Good luck. Regarding 'Murder at Moorstones Manor' a complete sound recording does exist. Regards, Paul Well the second bit’s good news! But does it? Or is that the tape that was thought to be complete, but doesn't actually contain the deleted scene anymore? I know there is an audio like that. Either from the repeat or if for some reason the scene was cut before first transmission.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Dec 27, 2020 20:55:08 GMT
Yes. It exists. It's from a Philip's 1500 off-air.
Paul
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