Kev Hunter
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Post by Kev Hunter on Jul 29, 2020 9:31:31 GMT
I also seem to remember a promo shown on TOTP for "The Good The Bad and The Ugly" by Hugo Montenegro involving some women dressed up as Indian Squaws or something like that I've always wanted to see this again as haven't seen it since 1968 when it was shown I wonder if it still exists anywhere not sure if it was made by the BBC or not. I remember that one too, Alan. Also recall a film to accompany the Beach Boys' "Heroes And Villains" on TOTP (Aug 1967) which had footage that included kids playing hide and seek in the woods. The other Beach Boys promo I remember is this one for "Sloop John B.":
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Post by Alan Turrell on Jul 29, 2020 15:06:00 GMT
Glad you also remember it Kev, as the memory can play tricks sometimes but I'm pretty sure it's something like I've described.
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Post by Mike Goldwater on Jul 30, 2020 13:29:07 GMT
In some rare cases promo clips were filmed but were unreleased, such as this rarity from 1967 'I'm So Glad' by Cream, which they shot in New York during their US tour that year, it is also in colour although the surviving copy seems to come from a VHS source even-though it was originally shot on 16mm film.
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Post by Mike Goldwater on Jul 30, 2020 16:00:31 GMT
I don't where this promo clip for 'She's A Rainbow' (1967) - The Rolling Stones, comes from but it's definetely not the official clip filmed and directed by Michael Lindsay Hogg that was released at the time. The promo clip for the single was a studio based performance, filmed on the same day as '2000 Light Years From Home'. Here are some records from the time that show what was filmed on that day, so far only the clip for '2000 Light Years From Home' has surfaced. It makes even more odd that this surviving clip exists as a telerecording, despite being recorded on VT for promotional use, I wonder where that print came from. Given that these two promo films were made outside the BBC, it's strange why the tapes should end up lost. 1st October: London, Kevin Brownjohn’s Studios. Shooting of promofilms. Director: Peter Clifton or Michael Lindsay-Hogg. - She's A Rainbow (MJ/KR) - 2000 Light Years From Home (MJ/KR) + interview with MJ by Peter Clifton Here's a photo from the October 1967 film shoot for '2000 Light Years From Home'/ 'She's a Rainbow'.
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Post by petercheck on Jul 31, 2020 6:37:31 GMT
Part of that footage ('She's a Rainbow') is from a French TV interview that featured bits of the making of 'Performance'. It is certainly NOT a proper promo video, just something put together recently.
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Post by petercheck on Jul 31, 2020 8:14:35 GMT
Many, many, so called 'Promo Videos' aren't what they seem. 192TV is particularly notorious for faking videos (as well as broadcasting lots of rare genuine footage). Take the video below:
At first glance, this is a video for The Hollies' 1967 album track 'Postcard', but it the original soundtrack was 'Listen To Me', and it was made specially for the German TV show ‘Drehscheibe’ (it is actually the very last thing Graham Nash filmed prior to leaving the group).
Mike, I have written 3 books to help people like yourself identify videos and TV broadcasts ('Channelling The Beat' covers many UK 60s acts). I'm not saying this to plug my books, but you might find this will help greatly in your research, as would some other authors' books of course.
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Post by Mike Goldwater on Jul 31, 2020 17:07:28 GMT
Thanks for letting me know, I will check your book out. I've always facinated by the development of the music video in the years before MTV, and I'm keen to dig in further.
Using music from another song over another music promo clip isn't a new thing, I was checking TV Pop Diaries the other day (http://www.tvpopdiaries.co.uk/1969.html), and found when TOTP aired a promo clip for "Witchita Lineman" by Glenn Campbell on the 27/2/69 edition, it wasn't the official promo. The BBC used footage from another promo for his song "By The Time I Get to Phoenix" released in 1967, thankfully this edition survives in the archives so we can view this act of artistic vandalism. I always thourght the song never quite matched the footage on the promo clip, now I know why; indeed when you play the original track that went with the promo, the footage makes more sense. Hopefully one day, the original promo will be released and hopefully in colour as the clip was produced in the US which was broadcasting predominantly in colour by the time the promo was produced.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jul 31, 2020 19:43:14 GMT
I THINK - please note the capitals - that during the 70's (not the 60's, they didn't get a contract til 1970) Caravel only did three official promos on TOTP, which the artist appeared in with their consent and participation, namely Loop Di Love, Photograph and Silver Machine.
All three exist at the Beeb - the first one is mute, but a dubbed version exists in collector circles.
If I've missed anything, let me know.
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Post by Colin Anderton on Aug 1, 2020 15:26:17 GMT
Seeing this Glen Campbell clip from Top Of The Pops really made my heart lurch. I so clearly remember seeing this round about March or April in 1969 and suddenly realising that the Sixties were drawing to a close. For those that get tired of hearing older folk going on about that decade, I can tell you it isn't an exaggeration! I loved the decade, and felt very emotional as midnight came closer on 31st December. I've never ceased being nostalgic for the Sixties ever since.
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Post by bobbooker on Aug 1, 2020 17:53:18 GMT
Hopefully one day, the original promo will be released and hopefully in colour as the clip was produced in the US which was broadcasting predominantly in colour by the time the promo was produced. Colour version below but sadly cropped to faux widescreen by the uploader
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Post by Mike Goldwater on Aug 1, 2020 18:27:56 GMT
Sometimes artists/ bands did multiple promos for the same song, for example here are two promos to promote the release of 'Venus' (1969) by Shocking Blue. The first version was filmed inside a factory but doesn't really add anything in terms of visuals, whilst the second version was filmed outdoors around some caves which has a more cinematic feel and goes better with the song's mythical themes. These two videos were probably used as specially filmed inserts for TV shows, which was common practise at the time. There is also a third version which is in monochrome, although this was filmed a year later in 1970 for a Dutch newsreel when the band were honoured by Hague City Council.
1st Version: Indoors, factory (Colour) - 1969
2nd Version: Outdoors, caves (Colour) - 1969
3rd Version: Silver Medal of Honor, The Hague (Monochrome) - 1970
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Post by Mike Goldwater on Aug 1, 2020 21:55:19 GMT
Hopefully one day, the original promo will be released and hopefully in colour as the clip was produced in the US which was broadcasting predominantly in colour by the time the promo was produced. Colour version below but sadly cropped to faux widescreen by the uploader [img alt=" " style="max-width:100%;" src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png" class="smile"] Very interesting to see the video in it's original form, you can see why the footage works so well with the narrative of the song, as the music video goes it's quite ahead of it's time, it must have been quite innovative to show a narrative within a music video given that most promos of the time were simply mimed performances or shots of band members larking around outdoors. I did managed to find a copy of the video in it's original 4:3 aspect ratio, but it's from an unrestored poorly duped print so it's difficult to make out at times: www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4VKUqWyYCA. Apparently his music videos have been released on VHS and DVD's over the years which is probably where this video was sourced from. There's also a better quality 4:3 copy out there, but it is heavily watermarked: youtu.be/4ftKUNbSoTYThis music video was Glen Campbell's first, which was directed by Gene Weed. During the 60's he did five music videos, including one for 'Witchita Lineman' also directed by Weed, so a copy of the promo lurks somewhere, and it's certainly vastly different to the TOTP version. After the 60's, his output of music videos dwindles, he only made a few during the 70's and early 80's; and it was only the rise of MTV that encouraged him to make more music videos from 1984 onwards. Seeing it in colour though does make a difference. If I'm not mistaken I think they used the same actress to play the 'other woman' that Glen runs off with at the end of the video. They just stuck a wig on her and hoped no one would notice, a classic case of budgetery constraints.
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Post by Mike Goldwater on Aug 2, 2020 15:16:09 GMT
Here's some rare behind the scenes pics of music videos from the 60's. 'God Only Knows' - The Beach Boys (1966) 'Strawberry Fields Forever' - The Beatles (1967)
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Post by stevej on Aug 2, 2020 18:17:24 GMT
Seeing this Glen Campbell clip from Top Of The Pops really made my heart lurch. I so clearly remember seeing this round about March or April in 1969 and suddenly realising that the Sixties were drawing to a close. For those that get tired of hearing older folk going on about that decade, I can tell you it isn't an exaggeration! I loved the decade, and felt very emotional as midnight came closer on 31st December. I've never ceased being nostalgic for the Sixties ever since.
Really interesting to hear that viewpoint, Colin. That's something I've often wondered about before, i.e. was there some general recognition in 1969 of an extraordinary decade drawing to a close, or did that only come about looking back from the perspective of maybe five or six years later? My guess was that the public mindset was one of constantly looking forward and there was no time for nostalgia: Bring on the bright new 1970s! I wonder how you would have been feeling if you were up late watching 'Pop Go The Sixties' shown by the BBC in the final hours of 31st December 1969....
As a side note, some of the biggest hit songs of 1969 have a distinct sense of melancholy, as though in recognition of something slowing down or coming to an end. I'm thinking of 'Wichita Lineman', 'I'll Never Fall In Love Again' (Bobbie Gentry version), 'He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother' and 'Reflections of My Life' Unwittingly or not they all sound a bit weary, somehow a little tired, but in a good way! I'd stick my neck out and say they are among some of the best songs of the 1960s.
Steve
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Post by Peter Stirling on Aug 2, 2020 22:27:06 GMT
Seeing this Glen Campbell clip from Top Of The Pops really made my heart lurch. I so clearly remember seeing this round about March or April in 1969 and suddenly realising that the Sixties were drawing to a close. For those that get tired of hearing older folk going on about that decade, I can tell you it isn't an exaggeration! I loved the decade, and felt very emotional as midnight came closer on 31st December. I've never ceased being nostalgic for the Sixties ever since. Really interesting to hear that viewpoint, Colin. That's something I've often wondered about before, i.e. was there some general recognition in 1969 of an extraordinary decade drawing to a close, or did that only come about looking back from the perspective of maybe five or six years later? My guess was that the public mindset was one of constantly looking forward and there was no time for nostalgia: Bring on the bright new 1970s! I wonder how you would have been feeling if you were up late watching 'Pop Go The Sixties' shown by the BBC in the final hours of 31st December 1969.... As a side note, some of the biggest hit songs of 1969 have a distinct sense of melancholy, as though in recognition of something slowing down or coming to an end. I'm thinking of 'Wichita Lineman', 'I'll Never Fall In Love Again' (Bobbie Gentry version), 'He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother' and 'Reflections of My Life' Unwittingly or not they all sound a bit weary, somehow a little tired, but in a good way! I'd stick my neck out and say they are among some of the best songs of the 1960s.
Steve
IMHO I think it was a case of 'you don't know what you have got till it's gone' and as you say people were very optimistic about the future and were not looking back (at the time), and I believe that is another reason videotapes were routinely slaughtered in this period as the content represented something that had been and gone. But agree with Colin there was something magical going on that you cannot put your finger on... But hey any old excuse to show an old clip...on topic too LOL [/quote]
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