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Post by jimmyr246 on May 3, 2020 16:36:23 GMT
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Post by petercheck on May 3, 2020 18:21:42 GMT
Hollies - I Can't Tell... = Swiss TV Special '75
Hollies - He Ain't Heavy = Australian Bandstand '70 (need to check to be 100% sure)
Middle Of The Road looks familiar... might be in my 'Look Wot They Dun!' book? (I don't have it handy)
Tremeloes is almost certainly a fake video, compiled for recent broadcast
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Post by ajsmith on May 3, 2020 21:44:36 GMT
Anyone have more information on the clips below, mostly need name of TV show and some years of broadcast. Love affair Bringing on back the good times TV show or Promo ? 1969 www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8QgfPZ71os&t=133s Hmm, interesting... on a YouTube comment on my upload of the Kinks Colour Me Pop audio, (here: youtu.be/HaSN-lPtxNk ) someone with the username ‘MrStreetAvenue’ remembers the Love Affair edition of that show ‘Bringing On Back The Good Times’ had a fairground vid with Steve Ellis on a big dipper’ . This video definitely fits that description, and almost certainly must be the same footage he remembers. So could it have originally been made for Colour Me Pop, then extracted as a promo film (in black and white) for use elsewhere? Or was it an independently made promo film that was used in Colour Me Pop? (I believe most CMP promo films were exclusive and directed in house by Steve Turner, but The Small Faces edition shows there was at least one prescedent for using outside promos, as it includes the Peter Whitehead film for ‘Lazy Sunday’). Or Mr StreetAvenue could be misremembering this film as being on CMP and is instead recalling it appearing on another show? Peters book lists a promo film, several TOTP’s and CMP as the TV exposure for BOBTGT upon release, and none are listed as existing, (which kind of shocked me when I first read it as it’s was a fairly large chart item that’s still fairly well remembered today), so it looks that whatever it’s origin, this constitutes a find as the only known visual representation for this major Love Affair hit.
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Post by Thomas Walsh on May 4, 2020 3:04:44 GMT
Surely a Dutch TV made video for the Love Affair promo. Plenty of windmills floating about and opposite side of the road car shenanigans!!
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on May 4, 2020 7:31:25 GMT
Surely a Dutch TV made video for the Love Affair promo. Plenty of windmills floating about and opposite side of the road car shenanigans!! My initial thought about the Love Affair is that it's Dutch. The lipsynching would have meant that the BBC were unlikely to broadcast it.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on May 4, 2020 7:38:00 GMT
Surely a Dutch TV made video for the Love Affair promo. Plenty of windmills floating about and opposite side of the road car shenanigans!! My initial thought about the Love Affair is that it's Dutch. The lipsynching would have meant that the BBC were unlikely to broadcast it. I've just messaged Morgan Fisher and I'll let you know if I get any response.
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Post by ajsmith on May 4, 2020 8:09:18 GMT
Good points about the location and lip synching Thomas and Ray: sorry, this is probably a case where my CMP monomania has led to me not seeing the woods for the trees! It was the Youtube guys very specific memory of the fairground that threw me, but maybe it was a conflated memory of seeing their CMP at the time and then this film years later on VH1 or something. Or maybe their CMP featured a different fairground film for BOBTGT.
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Post by Bob Savage (robstar) on May 4, 2020 8:15:06 GMT
Definitely filmed in the UK though, look at all the signage in the film it's all in english!
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Post by ajsmith on May 4, 2020 8:27:10 GMT
Tremeloes is almost certainly a fake video, compiled for recent broadcast Was interested why you think this Peter? From what I can see it looks authentic to me, it has the same feel of many promo films of the time*. (sorry if that sounds confrontational btw: just interested in getting more on your perspective on this!) *In fact, sorry to bring it back to my one hobby horse, but to me it looks very similar to the style of promo that CMP director Steve Turner was making for TOTP and other shows in the 1969/70 timeframe: and he did work with the Trems on at least one promo during this period, can't recall for which song off the top of my head. I will have to double check his other promo films before fully commiting to this and jumping the gun though, but it's the hunch I've got anyway..
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Post by ajsmith on May 4, 2020 11:51:37 GMT
UPDATE: I just checked the Steve Turner promo film collection I have* and guess what: the Tremeloes clip is exactly ther same footage! Except it's synched up to 'Me And My Life' and runs slightly longer at 3.17 (as it's a longer record than 'Once On A Sunday Morning').. so it's a definitely a Steve Turner directed film, probably made for a 1970 Top Of The Pops to promote 'Me And My Life', that has probably at some later point been re-purposed and edited to the earlier 1969 record 'Once On A Sunday Morning' (no idea why as it was an older flop record!).. this would also account for why perhaps the video looked faked to Peter, as it's been synched up to a different song here.
*I have a DVD of some of Steve Turner's promo films as recovered and catalogued by Kal in 2016 which they kindly copied for me for research purposes.
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Post by petercheck on May 4, 2020 13:37:15 GMT
UPDATE: I just checked the Steve Turner promo film collection I have* and guess what: the Tremeloes clip is exactly ther same footage! Except it's synched up to 'Me And My Life' and runs slightly longer at 3.17 (as it's a longer record than 'Once On A Sunday Morning').. so it's a definitely a Steve Turner directed film, probably made for a 1970 Top Of The Pops to promote 'Me And My Life', that has probably at some later point been re-purposed and edited to the earlier 1969 record 'Once On A Sunday Morning' (no idea why as it was an older flop record!).. this would also account for why perhaps the video looked faked to Peter, as it's been synched up to a different song here. *I have a DVD of some of Steve Turner's promo films as recovered and catalogued by Kal in 2016 which they kindly copied for me for research purposes. I still suspect that this was re-edited very recently, specially for the 192 Channel. It is done quite often. Take a look at the Hollies video below for example; everyone assumes this is a rare promo video for their 1967 album track 'Postcard', but here's what I wrote for youtube: From ‘Channelling The Beat!’:
13-02-69 – ‘Drehscheibe’ (Germany): Listen To Me (Taped on 14-11-68, this is a very important clip historically. Featuring footage of the band larking about in a Bremen park and clearly having fun, this was the final time the band were filmed together before Graham Nash left the band on 08-12-68. The footage has recently been re-cut and re-dubbed with the song ‘Postcard’, and circulates among collectors in this form)
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Post by petercheck on May 4, 2020 14:08:40 GMT
My initial thought about the Love Affair is that it's Dutch. The lipsynching would have meant that the BBC were unlikely to broadcast it. I've just messaged Morgan Fisher and I'll let you know if I get any response. If not Steve Ellis might recognise it.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on May 10, 2020 8:00:41 GMT
Morgan Fisher:- ""I remember shooting a video at Battersea funfair one early morning before the crowds came in, so this is probably it. I've no idea where it was shown, but this looks like a Dutch TV show, so it was probably made for the European market. Pretty boring video - no closeups of the band, and a rather uninteresting girl. At least the dog was Steve's so that's real! I have a vague memory of it in color (maybe for CMP) so perhaps it was dubbed into B&W for foreign use.""
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Post by nicadare on May 10, 2020 12:29:40 GMT
Surely a Dutch TV made video for the Love Affair promo. Plenty of windmills floating about and opposite side of the road car shenanigans!! But why all the signage in English such as "Keep Your Seats" on the roller coaster and "Restaurant"?
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Post by petercheck on May 10, 2020 12:35:12 GMT
Surely a Dutch TV made video for the Love Affair promo. Plenty of windmills floating about and opposite side of the road car shenanigans!! But why all the signage in English such as "Keep Your Seats" on the roller coaster and "Restaurant"? Because it was filmed in Battersea (London) for Dutch TV, as Morgan (and Ray) explained.
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