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Post by stevehoare61 on Apr 11, 2020 8:30:31 GMT
I totally agree with what you are saying John and Andy, its just , and this isn't Phil-bashing, getting those Who eps and the few other oddities back was wonderfull, and I am very gratefull.but its been over ten years now and almost every available tv station and relay station that he could check has been and that is all we have to show for it...that's maybe 2 eps a year...I am not suggesting working against him, but with him, if he comes across a Collector that has an ep, and isn't going to part with it, no matter what unless theres a financial incentive, then wouldn't that be good for that money to be available via fundraising? I know how obsessive collectors are, I am one, and though I sold my Collection, I know many many others that will go to their grave with it. My fear was kicking the bucket, and no one left that knew the potential value of what I had, and could imagine a dealer coming along and bunging a few quid for it.Im simply thinking of a long term idea for when and if these Collectors ever do , part with these films. Also, I know many consider him to be the Anti - Christ, but why aren't we talking to Ian Levene here as well,..his knowledge is amazing.
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Post by andyeves on Apr 11, 2020 9:36:14 GMT
Phil probably did himself no favours by raising our hopes. But I think that was just over-optimism on his part and a naive understanding of Doctor Who fandom. A few years ago, it had got to a stage whereby he only needed to wipe his arse for some fans to interpret that as a hint that he'd found another missing episode.
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Post by tombeveridge on Apr 11, 2020 13:48:18 GMT
Given the gesture you mention, it would have been Ep. 4 of The Space Pirates.
This is an interesting thread. Paul V is notable by his total silence. What might that mean? That he is not privy to PM's information? He knows that PM is wrong/over-optimistic? That PM is right, but that publicity might be ill-advised because of negotiations?
BTW, the idea that a collector who might donate an ME but might be reluctant due the to possibility of enraged fans pouring vitriol on him or her can be avoided quite simply. When the item's recovery is announced, it could be sid that the donor (a collector) had JUST received the ME from the estate of another collector, and eagerly rushed to donate. What is there in that scenario to be critical about?
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Post by andyeves on Apr 11, 2020 14:48:21 GMT
BTW, the idea that a collector who might donate an ME but might be reluctant due the to possibility of enraged fans pouring vitriol on him or her can be avoided quite simply. When the item's recovery is announced, it could be sid that the donor (a collector) had JUST received the ME from the estate of another collector, and eagerly rushed to donate. What is there in that scenario to be critical about? ... or I guess the collector could hand it over anonymously? Over the years, I've found that with many things in life, when someone gives a "rejection" reason that makes no kind of sense, it usually means that they're not being fully honest, and are just trying to create a problem as it's easier for them to give this rather than the real reason ... My interpretation of any collectors who have given that as their excuse - they're just coming up with something such that their refusal won't reflect as badly on them.
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Post by John Wall on Apr 11, 2020 17:11:19 GMT
The thread is lengthening but if it hasn’t been said, and it might have been!, I reckon that not being prepared to return a ME - and the actual print only needs to be loaned - has to be because of the selfish pleasure of owning something unique.
Other than wanting a large amount of money no other reason stands up to scrutiny. Anonymity can easily be sorted out as can, possibly, a picture on the front page of DWM.
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Post by Luke Sherlaw on Apr 11, 2020 21:22:28 GMT
I don't think it takes a degree in social psychology to understand the mentality of collectors who owns an ME: you have something no one else has, you have a gem in your collection and as soon as 50,000 people own that gem on DVD, you don't own a gem anymore. It's not hard to understand. As someone who'd give a ME back if I had one, a part of me can understand their perspective on it. It's a crappy perspective to have but I can see it.
I do agree with Richard Develyn's point though: if there's even 1 NHS worker right now who'd like to see more MEs: giving an ME back should be worthwhile to anyone.
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Post by mattg on Apr 12, 2020 7:35:56 GMT
Phil probably did himself no favours by raising our hopes. But I think that was just over-optimism on his part and a naive understanding of Doctor Who fandom. A few years ago, it had got to a stage whereby he only needed to wipe his arse for some fans to interpret that as a hint that he'd found another missing episode. Must admit that this always rankled me too and I maintain that Phil gained absolutely nothing from his deliberately cryptic teases (other than continued relevancy and attention or course ). In fact if anything he probably made a rod for his back considering that his and TIEA's activities came under immense fan scrutiny as a direct consequence of encouraging fluff like 'when you least expect it' and 'the wind is blowing in the right direction' et al. Worse, Phil was also in the habit of un-ironically complaining about intrusive fan intrigue hindering his recovery efforts to boot! Why, when asked if he had further 'Who episodes he didn't just reply with something like 'no not at this time but I'm optimistic I could find more in the future' I will never know.... Still, thanks to Phil we got all of 'Enemy' and most of 'Web', and for that (especially the latter of which was always my favourite Troughton story) I am eternally grateful!
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Post by mattg on Apr 12, 2020 8:02:50 GMT
Phil probably did himself no favours by raising our hopes. But I think that was just over-optimism on his part and a naive understanding of Doctor Who fandom. A few years ago, it had got to a stage whereby he only needed to wipe his arse for some fans to interpret that as a hint that he'd found another missing episode. I'm not so sure I'd ascribe such manipulative behaviour to naivety tbh, especially when I recall how he marked the annual anniversary of the show's 1963 broadcast of 'An Unearthly Child' via social media a couple or so years back. Everyone else naturally uploaded cast photos of the very first Tardis crew, as of course you would in the circumstances. Phil meanwhile decided to post a telesnap from episode 3 of Evil of the Daleks instead ....Nobody is that naive . He knew exactly the reaction he'd provoke from such a dubious, needless gesture.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Apr 12, 2020 8:33:52 GMT
I concur with the last few posters on this. I'm extremely grateful for the return of Enemy and (most of) Web, but I'm puzzled about Phil's comments ever since. The "unexpected" appears to have been "nothing".
Richard
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Post by andyeves on Apr 12, 2020 8:50:38 GMT
But Phil did say that we'll get more Doctor Who when we "least expect" it, so maybe today is that day ...
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Apr 12, 2020 14:24:40 GMT
But Phil did say that we'll get more Doctor Who when we "least expect" it, so maybe today is that day ... I suppose what Philip actually means is when HE least expects it so therefore it will be when we least expect it... It's almost an example of tautology.You can't least expect something if you already have it.Hence no announcement.Come on,the guy found buried treasure in an environment where film cans were destroyed so long ago,they have absolutely no reason to exist!He certainly surpassed all expectations.
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Post by John Wall on Apr 12, 2020 14:47:59 GMT
He’s more than delivered - and not just on DW 👍
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Post by Robbie Moubert on Apr 12, 2020 17:44:01 GMT
This is an interesting thread. Paul V is notable by his total silence. What might that mean? That he is not privy to PM's information? He knows that PM is wrong/over-optimistic? That PM is right, but that publicity might be ill-advised because of negotiations? Or (D) None of the above. Perhaps he's just got better things to do with his time than comment on this, especially when he knows that every word, comma and full stop would be parsed to within an inch of their lives.
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Post by timmunton on Apr 12, 2020 17:46:01 GMT
In PM's recent words, maybe I wasn't following closely enough but when he said "I like surprises" I took that as a hint of the same type as of yore (that he may have or have access to a missing episode or more now himself - but for whatever reason doesn't want to say yet, but will surprise us eventually). Rather than just that he was looking forward to the surprise of one or more of the collectors returning something at some point.
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Post by andyeves on Apr 12, 2020 19:13:01 GMT
In PM's recent words, maybe I wasn't following closely enough but when he said "I like surprises" I took that as a hint of the same type as of yore (that he may have or have access to a missing episode or more now himself - but for whatever reason doesn't want to say yet, but will surprise us eventually). Rather than just that he was looking forward to the surprise of one or more of the collectors returning something at some point. He's been saying that for years. It's all part of the "when we least-expect it" & "if there are any announcements to be made then he wants all of us not to see it coming" ... which I no longer read anything into.
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