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Post by andyeves on Jan 15, 2021 14:34:01 GMT
Phil said it was snaffled whilst they were being moved to another area for safekeeping ... which is what drew the station manager's attention to them. Therefore to draw conclusions about the likely or assumed arrangement of any such piles is highly tenuous, especially as it could even have been in the TIEA employee's arms when it was taken.
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Post by A Barron on Jan 15, 2021 14:54:52 GMT
Some very good points. WoF3 is very important in DW history. However, it’s not impossible that it was the top of the pile. Did PM take any piccies when he first got in? I have attached the only photograph of which I am aware. (Content Warning:) I have tried zooming in, but all I could see was that someone was trying to be funny on the fourth can down - not impressed. This does however mean people were interacting with the cans before they were found. Attachments:
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Post by andyeves on Jan 15, 2021 15:11:31 GMT
Some very good points. WoF3 is very important in DW history. However, it’s not impossible that it was the top of the pile. Did PM take any piccies when he first got in? I have attached the only photograph of which I am aware. (Content Warning:) I have tried zooming in, but all I could see was that someone was trying to be funny on the fourth can down - not impressed. That only shows that they were in piles at some point, either before and/or after WOF3 was taken. There is nothing to suggest that at the point it was taken, it wasn't top of the pile (they could have been moved 2 tapes at a time, for example), or even that it was in a pile at all. As I said, my understanding from Phil's version of events is that it was taken whilst being moved.
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Post by A Barron on Jan 15, 2021 18:43:59 GMT
I have attached the only photograph of which I am aware. (Content Warning:) I have tried zooming in, but all I could see was that someone was trying to be funny on the fourth can down - not impressed. That only shows that they were in piles at some point, either before and/or after WOF3 was taken. There is nothing to suggest that at the point it was taken, it wasn't top of the pile (they could have been moved 2 tapes at a time, for example), or even that it was in a pile at all. As I said, my understanding from Phil's version of events is that it was taken whilst being moved. I know, but he asked if there were photographs and this is the only one I know of. It will not lead anywhere but at least we have an image of the film can, among eleven others.
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Post by Pete Morris on Jan 16, 2021 1:40:49 GMT
someone was trying to be funny on the fourth can down - not impressed. I can't see what you mean. Where's the attempted joke?
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Post by isaacc on Jan 16, 2021 2:08:49 GMT
There are definitely 12 cans on that pile. Unless there was another Dr. Who can there, Marco Polo? (joke), then they had all 12 episodes of Enemy and Web.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Jan 16, 2021 9:10:31 GMT
Just looking at the state of those film cans and the sheer amazement that by chance they have not been destroyed after more than 40 years,really brings home the enormity and dedication of not only Philip Morris but other episode hunters around the world.How many more random places house treasure like that never to be found?Private collectors are another source of tension if they don't donate what they have to be honest.It must be a soul-destroying task to look for things that really have no right to still exist and then to have them stolen from under your very nose or if they do exist,to have them withheld.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Jan 16, 2021 9:12:03 GMT
Sorry,I didn't mean Philip Morris and episode hunters are enormous,I meant the enormity of their efforts!
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Post by John Wall on Jan 16, 2021 9:56:16 GMT
Just looking at the state of those film cans and the sheer amazement that by chance they have not been destroyed after more than 40 years,really brings home the enormity and dedication of not only Philip Morris but other episode hunters around the world.How many more random places house treasure like that never to be found?Private collectors are another source of tension if they don't donate what they have to be honest.It must be a soul-destroying task to look for things that really have no right to still exist and then to have them stolen from under your very nose or if they do exist,to have them withheld. The chances of more like that are probably as near to zero as makes no difference. This is because few broadcasters are now still in the same location. Remember how TV Centre was, at least partly, built because colour was on the horizon. But as technology developed the facilities needed changed so Auntie moved out. When you move location there’s inevitably a clear out. That’s why I think the chances of recoveries from the likes of Singapore are minimal. Singapore is a small, densely populated, island and the broadcaster must have moved premises several times. There may still be episodes at broadcasters but orphans in private collections are more likely.
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Post by A Barron on Jan 16, 2021 11:26:13 GMT
someone was trying to be funny on the fourth can down - not impressed. I can't see what you mean. Where's the attempted joke? If you zoom in, someone appears to have drawn a rude picture on the fourth film can from the top. I doubt it was Philip Morris, so even though it is rather unpleasant, it does mean that at least one person knew of and interacted with those film cans before they were "found" - even if just to draw something on some "old junk".
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Jan 16, 2021 11:33:14 GMT
I can't see what you mean. Where's the attempted joke? If you zoom in, someone appears to have drawn a male specific organ on the fourth film can from the top. I doubt it was Philip Morris, so even though it is rather unpleasant, it does mean that at least one person knew of and interacted with those film cans before they were "found" - even if just to draw something on some "old junk". Interacted with them in what way?
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Post by John Green on Jan 16, 2021 11:45:37 GMT
"...a male specific organ" Hopefully, such a wild assertion won't get you into trouble!
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Post by stevehoare61 on Jan 16, 2021 12:06:14 GMT
Well...as we all know, the last 7 barren years have been frustrating, and it may carry on that way, with or without the generosity of Film Collectors, but as we have all experienced,,we never know what might suddenly turn up. Now, daft as this sounds, I seem to remember an Interview with Phil where he was investigating the area in the desert in Nigeria where a great deal of film cans were dumped. Was this one big joke or did he actually follow through with it?
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Post by andyeves on Jan 16, 2021 12:36:39 GMT
Well...as we all know, the last 7 barren years have been frustrating, and it may carry on that way, with or without the generosity of Film Collectors, but as we have all experienced,,we never know what might suddenly turn up. Now, daft as this sounds, I seem to remember an Interview with Phil where he was investigating the area in the desert in Nigeria where a great deal of film cans were dumped. Was this one big joke or did he actually follow through with it? According to Phil, he did actually go out with a JCB for that specific reason. I don't think he's ever confirmed the state of whatever he unearthed, or indeed whether he retrieved anything worthwhile ... although presumably not.
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Post by A Barron on Jan 16, 2021 12:42:52 GMT
If you zoom in, someone appears to have drawn a male specific organ on the fourth film can from the top. I doubt it was Philip Morris, so even though it is rather unpleasant, it does mean that at least one person knew of and interacted with those film cans before they were "found" - even if just to draw something on some "old junk". Interacted with them in what way? Picked one up and drew on it. I suppose it could be seen as evidence that people did just enter the location randomly and could have picked it up and taken it by chance.
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