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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Jan 14, 2021 15:52:34 GMT
If I’m not mistaken, this means there are three rumors regarding episodes in collector’s hands?
1) Web of Fear 3. 2) The six as reported by Morris. 3) The two as reported by Paul, (one Australian one not).
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Post by RWels on Jan 14, 2021 16:30:43 GMT
If I’m not mistaken, this means there are three rumors regarding episodes in collector’s hands? 1) Web of Fear 3. 2) The six as reported by Morris. 3) The two as reported by Paul, (one Australian one not). What if these overlap? It may not be a total of nine.
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Post by RhysH on Jan 14, 2021 16:49:31 GMT
After how the last 12 months have gone in the world, wouldn't it be great to get some good news at long last. A few months short of 8 years now without any confirmed new finds. Fingers crossed people. We deserve it for our patience!
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Post by jamesellis on Jan 14, 2021 18:43:22 GMT
What do you guys make of Phil Morris's assertion on his Twitter feed that WoF3 was taken by a member of the Fitzroy Tavern Who crowd, that's what he's said, so he obviously knows who it is,
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jan 14, 2021 18:45:50 GMT
Absolute rubbish.
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Post by jamesellis on Jan 14, 2021 19:13:18 GMT
Fair do's Richard, strange thing to assert though, PM seemed very confident,
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Post by A Barron on Jan 14, 2021 19:13:26 GMT
What do you guys make of Phil Morris's assertion on his Twitter feed that WoF3 was taken by a member of the Fitzroy Tavern Who crowd, that's what he's said, so he obviously knows who it is, Fitzroy Tavern Who crowd? Who are they?
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jan 14, 2021 22:33:18 GMT
What do you guys make of Phil Morris's assertion on his Twitter feed that WoF3 was taken by a member of the Fitzroy Tavern Who crowd, that's what he's said, so he obviously knows who it is, Fitzroy Tavern Who crowd? Who are they? In the 1980s, the Fitzroy Tavern in Charlotte Street, London became the pub where lots of DWAS members and DW fans would gather to drink and natter, usually once a month from memory. Loads and loads of different people went there.
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Post by Alan Jeffries on Jan 14, 2021 23:29:59 GMT
The Tavern. Some wild drinking nights in there. Once a month on the first Thursday, loads of us would take over the place. They made an awful lot of money that night! And not just the fans. you would get the occasional luminary would turn up from time to time. Stephen Moffat (before he was show runner of course), Matthew Waterhouse was a regular. Then people who became the current crop of writers. Alan Barnes, Paul Cornell to name just a couple. Fanzines would be exchanged as would bootleg videos. Great, lasting friendships were forged in that place. It was a big place on the corner with 3 entrances. The bar sat in the middle and you could walk right around the pub, so it was desperately easy to mingle, or hide, from people. I hadn't been there for years and I went with a couple of friends one day just before Christmas a few years ago. The renovators had been in. It's now in 3 separate bars The snug with the comfy booth seating has gone, replaced by a wall! I cannot imagine it being conducive to the Taverns of old now. But some great times. I know that's got nothing to do with the subject, but there you go.
Alan
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Post by isaacc on Jan 15, 2021 2:34:40 GMT
Thank you so much everyone. I'm truly grateful for all your input.
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Post by andyeves on Jan 15, 2021 6:16:07 GMT
Just wondering if anything new has come of this? To my knowledge, no. But there are some very keen chaps here who may have heard something that slipped past me. Thanks. Nothing. In the rather nice Richard Molesworth interview on Episode 70 of the Type 40 podcast in December, Richard said that he wasn't aware of any evidence that substantiates Philip's claim of six episodes in private hands. Richard Molesworth InterviewThanks for the link, Richard. It was particularly interesting to hear Richard M's opinion on WOF3 ... When Phil first revealed (in 2005) the real story behind WOF3, Paul V said on this forum: "My own theory is that the guy took a film off the pile so he could do a bit of research precisely because someone showed an interest in these old films. ... Once he'd done his research, realised what he'd got, he snaffled it away and denied all knowledge of it when further enquiries were made as to its fate. My personal belief is that the film isn't in the hands of a private collector, but still hidden, or possibly destroyed to protect the person who took it. No evidence, no crime. Whatever happened, I don't think we'll be seeing it anytime soon."missingepisodes.proboards.com/post/134470missingepisodes.proboards.com/post/134470/threadThat was my gut feel too, and I remember putting straight any assertions on forums that we know for definite that WOF3 still exists. However, my opinion changed with Phil's extreme confidence at Starburst Aug 2016: " But we’re on top of that. That is not going to stay missing for too long. So … we are working on that." ... even though Phil toned this down somewhat in last year's interview with: “ we do have an idea of where that episode is” Don't know whether Paul has been swayed by Phil's subsequent & seemingly thorough investigation, that resulted in his certainty that it is now in private hands. But it was interesting to hear that despite this, Richard M is still more of the opinion that the station manager destroyed it. It has made me once again question whether any assumption that WOF3 still exists is making far too much of an assumption. Phil is haunted by the fact that it was snatched from under his nose, and maybe his determination & certainty that he can still retrieve it is, well, the old “wishing it back into existence” syndrome! Regardless, I don't expect it to emerge during my lifetime.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Jan 15, 2021 10:06:17 GMT
Just goes to show the unnecessary hysteria surrounding MEs and it's ramifications.In the past,old film prints were taken casually by producers,cameramen and BBC staff etc with no inkling what they were doing was illegal.If it has been destroyed out of fear then nobody's fault but ours,having elevated it's removal to a criminal offence.And what would have been the punishment if any?Exactly,nothing at all.This scenario brings to mind other situations where excessive media and fan interest has led to tragic results.The loss of a film print is insignificant in comparison but the similarity is certainly there.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 15, 2021 11:15:38 GMT
What we do know is that WoF3 was definitely in a particular place at a particular time - and had gone at another known time.
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Post by A Barron on Jan 15, 2021 13:28:46 GMT
"My own theory is that the guy took a film off the pile so he could do a bit of research-" The difficulty that I (and possibly others) have with this is that is seems so strange that The Web of Fear: Episode Three was taken at random. Given that before the return of The Enemy of the World, it was not really considered to be one of the better serials, if I were to steal an episode from one of the two serials, it would have been from The Web of Fear; and if I could have only taken one, it would have been the third episode: the one that introduces The Brigadier (Colonel). It just seems odd that out of twelve episodes, arguably the most valuable one was stolen by chance. There was twice that chance that one of the existing episodes would have taken instead. Another thing is, if someone did just grab it off the top of the pile, why was The Web of Fear 3 on top? If I were Philip Morris and had been looking at these film cans, I would have stacked them in order, or at the very least but the two existing episodes on top just in case someone decided to take one. Would somebody randomly reach into a pile and take one from midway through? I suppose Philip Morris could have looked at that episode especially due to it being the Brigadier's first and then put it on top last. I do think it is important to be realistic when thinking about these things (so putting aside rumours like: Fury From the Deep was stolen from Nigeria too, and things like that) and saying that an (important) episode from the middle of a serial was randomly picked from a group of twelve seems unlikely; although maybe I am just seeing villainous intent instead of a mere coincidence.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 15, 2021 14:02:21 GMT
Some very good points. WoF3 is very important in DW history.
However, it’s not impossible that it was the top of the pile. Did PM take any piccies when he first got in?
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