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Post by John Wall on Jun 4, 2020 19:59:40 GMT
MEs are out there - I have a recollection of a Z cars on EBay?
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Post by John Wall on Jun 4, 2020 20:14:15 GMT
A quick check suggests - maths permitting - 253 B&W episodes.
Remembering bicycling and that some stories had very few prints struck - it’s unlikely that more than one print of Masterplan was made - I doubt there were ever more than c. 1500 prints of B&W episodes.
We know what exists and have a reasonable idea of what was definitely destroyed.
Not many needles in a very large haystack 👎
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Post by Pete Morris on Jun 4, 2020 22:31:22 GMT
MEs are out there - I have a recollection of a Z cars on EBay?
You are possibly thinking of the Softly Softly episode Recovery. Discussed here a few years back.
The purchaser acted shamefully.
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Post by John Wall on Jun 4, 2020 23:02:50 GMT
MEs are out there - I have a recollection of a Z cars on EBay? You are possibly thinking of the Softly Softly episode Recovery. Discussed here a few years back. The purchaser acted shamefully.
Possibly 📺
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Post by stevehoare61 on Jun 5, 2020 7:16:12 GMT
In a previous post I tried to explain how, as a Vinyl Collector, the mind of a Collector works, ...you are all Collectors, you are all desperate to see these episodes and get them into your DVD collections... I think you're making Collectors seem very polarised. We can all have hobbies, but they don't have to be all-consuming. I collect SF/fantasy books, but if I thought I had something in my collection which lots of people desperately wanted to read I'd give it out. Life's hard enough. Richard Yes but as I clearly stated there are different kinds of Collectors,,and some are a lot easier to deal with, who collect in a happy go lucky way and then you get to the other end of the spectrum with the secretive , Im not even admitting Ive got this type...I was never that, but my collection did become slightly obsessive and passionate. I was very lucky and when I sold it, I made the value of it back,...many don't. But I have met serious Collectors, that don't want their names mentioned, who have shrines to their collections and is sometimes a little worrying.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jun 5, 2020 7:34:06 GMT
I'm glad that I'm not a collector who doesn't want his name mentioned.
I'm glad that I'm not an anything that doesn't want his name mentioned.
It must make for a very reclusive sort of existence.
Richard
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Post by brianfretwell on Jun 6, 2020 8:43:24 GMT
Copies of 2 now returned episodes (or probably dupes of them) were at a Winchester Cine Fair, I saw them there before knowing how much was missing and assumed they were just other copies of ones that were in the archives. I think they were £50 each.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jun 7, 2020 9:57:09 GMT
Which ones?
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Post by brianfretwell on Jun 20, 2020 7:57:53 GMT
The two that were offered to be shown at a cinema during a Panoptican event may years ago. My poor brain can't dredge up the titles at present. Possibly one was the later returned episode of The Faceless Ones.
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Post by Luke Sherlaw on Jun 20, 2020 17:16:44 GMT
The two that were offered to be shown at a cinema during a Panoptican event may years ago. My poor brain can't dredge up the titles at present. Possibly one was the later returned episode of The Faceless Ones. The Faceless Ones 3 and Evil of the Daleks 2, then. At least now we have mobile phones with internet and such so you can research if something is missing there and then, obviously not possible in the 80s though!
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Post by RWels on Jun 20, 2020 17:21:01 GMT
I'm glad that I'm not a collector who doesn't want his name mentioned. Why? What if they're simply not interested in 5 minutes of fame? If I had a missing episode and wasn't a people person, then I would NOT be keen on getting contacted by loads of Doctor Who fans for example. Now, that said, I knew one map collector who was a bit paranoid that the internet might find him. Slightly annoying because it was quite unrealistic (mostly because he wasn't that interesting). Still, that's better than an ego trip. I'd say it's everyone's personal choice?
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jun 20, 2020 22:44:54 GMT
I'm glad that I'm not a collector who doesn't want his name mentioned. Why? What if they're simply not interested in 5 minutes of fame? If I had a missing episode and wasn't a people person, then I would NOT be keen on getting contacted by loads of Doctor Who fans for example. Now, that said, I knew one map collector who was a bit paranoid that the internet might find him. Slightly annoying because it was quite unrealistic (mostly because he wasn't that interesting). Still, that's better than an ego trip. I'd say it's everyone's personal choice? People who behave in anti-social ways rob themselves of personal choice. Whoever it is has WoF 3 isn't choosing not to tell us about it - he (or she) is forced to. I doubt very much they are motivated by a desire to avoid 5 minutes of fame or the attention of thousands of grateful Doctor Who fans. I think they're ashamed of what they've done so they have to keep it secret. Much though I would love to see WoF 3 I am one million times happier to be the person who is deprived of watching it than to be the person who is doing the depriving. I believe that you have a happier life if, as much as possible, you can be proud of what you're doing rather than ashamed of it. I would never want to be a secretive collector. It puts me in mind of Fagin with his little box of jewels under the floorboards. That's what I meant when I said I'm glad I'm not that sort of person. Richard
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Post by Michael D. Kimpton on Jun 22, 2020 9:07:13 GMT
Why? What if they're simply not interested in 5 minutes of fame? If I had a missing episode and wasn't a people person, then I would NOT be keen on getting contacted by loads of Doctor Who fans for example. Now, that said, I knew one map collector who was a bit paranoid that the internet might find him. Slightly annoying because it was quite unrealistic (mostly because he wasn't that interesting). Still, that's better than an ego trip. I'd say it's everyone's personal choice? People who behave in anti-social ways rob themselves of personal choice. Whoever it is has WoF 3 isn't choosing not to tell us about it - he (or she) is forced to. I doubt very much they are motivated by a desire to avoid 5 minutes of fame or the attention of thousands of grateful Doctor Who fans. I think they're ashamed of what they've done so they have to keep it secret. Much though I would love to see WoF 3 I am one million times happier to be the person who is deprived of watching it than to be the person who is doing the depriving. I believe that you have a happier life if, as much as possible, you can be proud of what you're doing rather than ashamed of it. I would never want to be a secretive collector. It puts me in mind of Fagin with his little box of jewels under the floorboards. That's what I meant when I said I'm glad I'm not that sort of person. Richard Well said.
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Post by RhysH on Jun 22, 2020 12:01:30 GMT
People who behave in anti-social ways rob themselves of personal choice. Whoever it is has WoF 3 isn't choosing not to tell us about it - he (or she) is forced to. I doubt very much they are motivated by a desire to avoid 5 minutes of fame or the attention of thousands of grateful Doctor Who fans. I think they're ashamed of what they've done so they have to keep it secret. Much though I would love to see WoF 3 I am one million times happier to be the person who is deprived of watching it than to be the person who is doing the depriving. I believe that you have a happier life if, as much as possible, you can be proud of what you're doing rather than ashamed of it. I would never want to be a secretive collector. It puts me in mind of Fagin with his little box of jewels under the floorboards. That's what I meant when I said I'm glad I'm not that sort of person. Richard Well said. Agree completely. If you could doing something (anonymously or not), that would bring great joy to a lot of people, I struggle to understand why you wouldn't want to.
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Post by RWels on Jun 22, 2020 12:42:31 GMT
I still think it's wrong no matter how many people agree.
WoF3 is a very exceptional case and essentially it's simply immoral theft. But if you write "a collector" it sounds like you mean any collector.
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